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The transfer thread

Bedfordspurs said:
So we didn’t buy enough players?
We didn’t fix the squad in 2 windows
I agree with that
But that’s not what you said when you said cheap …
No team fixes their issues quickly
You would make plenty of bad decisions (we have seen that many times)
The plan is to bike the squad correctly
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We've left ourselves very open again imo in terms of LB and LCB, two areas that are vital for how Ange plays. We did it the previous summer as well but at least this summer we got a number 9 in. even when we got MVDV we left it very late and were lucky tbh he hit the ground running (almost literally haha)

We didn't also get that DM again we knew was needed.

As i say, i think an assumption that these will be corrected in time to actually push on now (not just in a couple of years when we have to because someone wants to leave) is based on wishful thinking at best and NOT on what we've actually seen in the past
 
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glorygloryeze said:
We've left ourselves very one again in terms of LB and LCB, two araes that are vital for how Ange plays. We did it the previous summer as well but at least this summer we got a number 9 in. even when we got MVDV we left it very late and were lucky tbh he hit the ground running (almost literally haha)

We didn't also get that DM again we knew was needed.

As i say, i think an assumption that these will be corrected in time to actually push on now (not just in a couple of years when we have to because someone wants to leave) is based on wishful thinking at best and NOT on what we've actually seen in the past
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Your forgot go add “in my opinion”
Your writing as though it’s facts
We did sign a DM by the way
He is a kid though and will need time
I don’t think we are after a CB because we have 3 young one son out books already that I think the club like
Left back is a worry although Spence would have played there if he wasn’t injured
 
Bishop said:
It's not cheap but it's not a massive fee nor a "statement of intent" as some fans pine for. I don't think it matters honestly, I'd rather pay less and get more.
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It’s a club record
And was the record single transfer last summer
I think the days of mega fees are long gone
It will all be fiddled
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Your forgot go add “in my opinion”
Your writing as though it’s facts
We did sign a DM by the way
He is a kid though and will need time
I don’t think we are after a CB because we have 3 young one son out books already that I think the club like
Left back is a worry although Spence would have played there if he wasn’t injured
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It's fan forum, i thought it was obvious that it was my opinion :) Have slightly edited to show that anyway
In terms of DM, who do you mean? I take it you don't mean Gray?
Those young CBs are for the future, not for the now. Which illustrates my point - we needed rotation for MVDV, Udogie and a DM now....I think our owners are more comfortable buying for the future as that is what we've mostly seen in the past.

Spence was NOT a Conte buy but a club buy. Not buying a LB because you want to shoe-horn Spence (a club buy for the right-back/right wing-back spot) there instead encapsulates exactly why i don't see why you expect certain transfer in the coming window or two..
 
Bedfordspurs said:
It’s a club record
And was the record single transfer last summer
I think the days of mega fees are long gone
It will all be fiddled
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Bigger fees will still happen for the appropriate players. Solanke isn't one of those guys, let's not lie to ourselves.

Lamine Yamal is going for 200m if Barca ever decide to sell him.
 
We need a proper defensive midfielder to protect our brick defence and we still need direct wingers who are going to frighten the life out of players, a mixture of Werners pace and Moore 15 minute Cameo in the Europa league but for the majority of the game.
 
glorygloryeze said:
It's fan forum, i thought it was obvious that it was my opinion :) Have slightly edited to show that anyway
In terms of DM, who do you mean? I take it you don't mean Gray?
Those young CBs are for the future, not for the now. Which illustrates my point - we needed rotation for MVDV, Udogie and a DM now....I think our owners are more comfortable buying for the future as that is what we've mostly seen in the past.

Spence was NOT a Conte buy but a club buy. Not buying a LB because you want to shoe-horn Spence (a club buy for the right-back/right wing-back spot) there instead encapsulates exactly why i don't see why you expect certain transfer in the coming window or two..
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Yeah I mean gray
The £30 m signing
Grrat planning is buying these players and accepting the ups and down
I agree Spence was a club buy
We also know that Ange will play him left back
We have seen that already
I don’t expect us to fix everything in the few windows ange has had
 
Bishop said:
Bigger fees will still happen for the appropriate players. Solanke isn't one of those guys, let's not lie to ourselves.

Lamine Yamal is going for 200m if Barca ever decide to sell him.
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Who said he was ?
Bit when people complain we don’t spend
And we do
But it’s it a big name so it doesn’t count.
That’s odd
You may get one or two freakish players going for big fee but it’s likely to be one every couple of years if at all
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Yeah I mean gray
The £30 m signing
Grrat planning is buying these players and accepting the ups and down
I agree Spence was a club buy
We also know that Ange will play him left back
We have seen that already
I don’t expect us to fix everything in the few windows ange has had
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Great planning is buying the now alongside the future. If Gray is the future DM if you're REALLY serious you buy a specialised one for the now who the future one can rotate with and learn from. Yes, it costs money, but when have any recently successful clubs done it on the cheap?
Ange only played Spence left back this season in the Carabao at Coventry and for the second half against 10 men Man utd. Has had ample opportunity if he really wants that especially before Spence's injury and i'm not going to mention the EL squad selection again...
I suspect Ange is just making do and has a much less combustible temperament than Conte..luckily for us and the board..

Again, i'm not expecting much in January given the history of how we operate
 
dingdongo said:
I think we should be focusing on players that are ready to improve the first team. We have plenty of youth with Bergvall, Gray, Yang, Vuskovic, Moore etc. I want us to focus on one or two players that can improve us, Whether that is CM, Wide Forward or an upgrade on Udogie, Porro etc.
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It's both, and a different numbers game

- Youth is always a more volume approach, if we get 2-3 player out of the current group, it would be good
- The addition now has to be that Solanke type signings every season to complement.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Great planning is buying the now alongside the future. If Gray is the future DM if you're REALLY serious you buy a specialised one for the now who the future one can rotate with and learn from. Yes, it costs money, but when have any recently successful clubs done it on the cheap?
Ange only played Spence left back this season in the Carabao at Coventry and for the second half against 10 men Man utd. Has had ample opportunity if he really wants that especially before Spence's injury and i'm not going to mention the EL squad selection again...
I suspect Ange is just making do and has a much less combustible temperament than Conte..luckily for us and the board..

Again, i'm not expecting much in January given the history of how we operate
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We bought last January (very important player in Dragusin)

I think we will, my thinking is potentially LB or DM, depending on availability.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Great planning is buying the now alongside the future. If Gray is the future DM if you're REALLY serious you buy a specialised one for the now who the future one can rotate with and learn from. Yes, it costs money, but when have any recently successful clubs done it on the cheap?
Ange only played Spence left back this season in the Carabao at Coventry and for the second half against 10 men Man utd. Has had ample opportunity if he really wants that especially before Spence's injury and i'm not going to mention the EL squad selection again...
I suspect Ange is just making do and has a much less combustible temperament than Conte..luckily for us and the board..

Again, i'm not expecting much in January given the history of how we operate
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Such as ?
Who should we have brought ?
Are Arsenal big serious because they still haven’t brought the striker they need
Pool didn’t buy anyone, so they aren’t serious?
A serious club, has a plan. It sticks with the plan and sees mature
A foolish club panics because the fans think the club need a certain player and spends money.
 
glorygloryeze said:
It would be if it was done when we are top 4 or 'on the cusp of being great' as it were.
ENIC seem to be hapy to splurge when it looks like we are falling back towards mid-table or have a fight to get top 4. Never seemingly when we ARE a top 4 team who - if the splurge is right - could become a title challenger. Which is why i question why anyone thinks this time will be any different.

Solanke is not a big name and we were in dire need of a number 9, hence why it's not as big a statement compared to if we already had an established and performing number 9 and we went and paid big for another one.

If you get a chance and find the published wages, i'd love to have a look. I'd be surprised if our top earners earn the same as their top earners, though it could be that our average is higher than theirs but the gap between their highest and lowest is bigger.
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We have spent a load and have not even been in the CL...that says something.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Such as ?
Who should we have brought ?
Are Arsenal big serious because they still haven’t brought the striker they need
Pool didn’t buy anyone, so they aren’t serious?
A serious club, has a plan. It sticks with the plan and sees mature
A foolish club panics because the fans think the club need a certain player and spends money.
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Ederson from Atalanta would have been great imo. Or perhaps an older mature head who'd get monuites here and there but impart some experience to the likes of Gray (someone like Kante would be a pipe dream i know, but in that mould who has experience and is slightly fading but still decent).
Arsenal have a big blind spot in terms of strikers (will ultimately be their downfall) but have very good squad options elsewhere. Hence they are still up there despite their injuries.
They bought to get them near the top and when you do that you just have to buy a few to augment. You can't compare how they and Liverpool have spent to us. They bought to get themselves in the good place and often bought players to try and actually go for the league. Pep hasn't allowed them to take the title in the last four years but he has felt the heat from them. As i say, no comparison to us.
A serious club does indeed have a plan and stick with it. A serious and ambitious club also can take a plunge on a clear upgrade/statement buy to try and attempt to win trophies. Arsenal and Liverpool have attempted that. We haven't even when we have had opportunity or been in the positions they are now, hence why i wouldn't compare us to them.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
We have spent a load and have not even been in the CL...that says something.
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Yeah but we didn’t fix all the issues in one window so we failed
Yeah we did break the club transfer record and I think we spent more than any other club but it’s just he good enough
Sack the board and sod planning for the future
 
The irony here is that when we got 86 points and finished 2nd, this was the squad:

Lloris, Vorm, Lopez
Walker, Rose, Trippier, Davies
Toby, Jan, Wimmer, CCV,
Dier, Wanyama, Dembele, Winks, Eriksen, Dele, Lamela, Sissoko, Onomah, Nkoudou
Kane, Son, Janssen

Does it sound familiar that we didn't have credible backup keepers? Our 2 fullbacks weren't fit to lace the main men, Walker and Rose. We only actually had 2 credible centre halves. If we had injuries to Kane and Son, we had major problems with backups up front. There were major cracks in that squad.

That season, we got to the FA cup semi-final and was in a combo of CL and EL until February, and played over 50 games.

When I think of our recent 5 year history, it is perfectly natural that we don't have 2 strong players for every position. What I do believe is that it closer than ever to being that way. By August next year, I think we'll have that.

What we need to figure out though is how we get a team as good as this, but this time with much stronger backups:
Lloris; Walker, Toby, Jan, Rose; Dembele, Wanyama; Son, Eriksen, Dele; Kane
 
glorygloryeze said:
Ederson from Atalanta would have been great imo. Or perhaps an older mature head who'd get monuites here and there but impart some experience to the likes of Gray (someone like Kante would be a pipe dream i know, but in that mould who has experience and is slightly fading but still decent).
Arsenal have a big blind spot in terms of strikers (will ultimately be their downfall) but have very good squad options elsewhere. Hence they are still up there despite their injuries.
They bought to get them near the top and when you do that you just have to buy a few to augment. You can't compare how they and Liverpool have spent to us. They bought to get themselves in the good place and often bought players to try and actually go for the league. Pep hasn't allowed them to take the title in the last four years but he has felt the heat from them. As i say, no comparison to us.
A serious club does indeed have a plan and stick with it. A serious and ambitious club also can take a plunge on a clear upgrade/statement buy to try and attempt to win trophies. Arsenal and Liverpool have attempted that. We haven't even when we have had opportunity or been in the positions they are now, hence why i wouldn't compare us to them.
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You know the year after the Cl we spent mega money
That is a club investing
Obviously it didn’t work
What Arsenal and Pool have done is invest over time
If wasn’t done quickly or in a panic
Look at how poll got Van Dijk
That’s what we’re doing
Pool baked on the Spanish Dm this summer and he tinted them down. They stuck with what they had abd wee giving their manager time to work out what he may want instead
That’s a plan
 
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