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The Stats Thread

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DTA said:
Look at Liverpool. Watching them play I was wondering how their press is so consistent and effective. From that graph it seems either the system they play allows it to be a ‘compressed’ or positional press. So they sprint quite a lot but not long distances or situational press, ie they only press in certain circumstances.

Either way, that seems an infinitely more sustainable, efficient and effective way to play - with room to ask a bit more from your players on occasion.

Seems sensible to me.
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They will also happily switch the play into space when the opportunity arises. That keeps the opposition in their toes as they know they can't really allow too much in behind or allow the likes of Salah to man to man with their defenders. That does help keep the compression as the defenders are always thinking about what's behind them and supporting their teammate to deny isolations.
 
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Hopefully we’ll sign a left-footed LB to rotate with Udogie in January so that flank is as strong as the right…

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In recent weeks i have now seen the following stats about Spurs....

Given the ball away more than any other team in the Premier league - as just mentioned above....

Equal bottom of shots in the Premier league

Equal bottom of shots in the 36 team champions league.

But top of he table for outperforming our XG ( we shouldn't have scored as many goals as we have) and also for outperforming our XG against ( we should have conceded a lot more goals than we actually have).....

Whatever we all think of stats, and I know we have injuries, but they are quite disturbing....

COYS
 
NLS said:
In recent weeks i have now seen the following stats about Spurs....

Given the ball away more than any other team in the Premier league - as just mentioned above....

Equal bottom of shots in the Premier league

Equal bottom of shots in the 36 team champions league.

But top of he table for outperforming our XG ( we shouldn't have scored as many goals as we have) and also for outperforming our XG against ( we should have conceded a lot more goals than we actually have).....

Whatever we all think of stats, and I know we have injuries, but they are quite disturbing....

COYS
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We are doomed i tell you, doomed.:rolleyes:
 
NLS said:
In recent weeks i have now seen the following stats about Spurs....

Given the ball away more than any other team in the Premier league - as just mentioned above....

Equal bottom of shots in the Premier league

Equal bottom of shots in the 36 team champions league.

But top of he table for outperforming our XG ( we shouldn't have scored as many goals as we have) and also for outperforming our XG against ( we should have conceded a lot more goals than we actually have).....

Whatever we all think of stats, and I know we have injuries, but they are quite disturbing....

COYS
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I hadn't seen them collected together like that. I agree as a group that is concerning because it suggests the results are unsustainable in the long run given our statistical performance. At the same time I don't actually feel with my eyes that we have been that bad just lacking in quality in the fairly obvious areas and it's just a continuation of the problems we've had now for years.
 
Bishop said:
I hadn't seen them collected together like that. I agree as a group that is concerning because it suggests the results are unsustainable in the long run given our statistical performance. At the same time I don't actually feel with my eyes that we have been that bad just lacking in quality in the fairly obvious areas and it's just a continuation of the problems we've had now for years.
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Our passing seems to get worse year an year
Almost as if no coaches work on it anymore
I’ve played with some pros and they could kill a pass so easily and make ones like golf shots, yet modem players in games seem to never want to hit that weighted pass anymore
 
NLS said:
In recent weeks i have now seen the following stats about Spurs....

Given the ball away more than any other team in the Premier league - as just mentioned above....

Equal bottom of shots in the Premier league

Equal bottom of shots in the 36 team champions league.

But top of he table for outperforming our XG ( we shouldn't have scored as many goals as we have) and also for outperforming our XG against ( we should have conceded a lot more goals than we actually have).....

Whatever we all think of stats, and I know we have injuries, but they are quite disturbing....

COYS
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None of that is surprising
Shows a false position today but maybe not a false one medium to long term
 
NLS said:
In recent weeks i have now seen the following stats about Spurs....

Given the ball away more than any other team in the Premier league - as just mentioned above....

Equal bottom of shots in the Premier league

Equal bottom of shots in the 36 team champions league.

But top of he table for outperforming our XG ( we shouldn't have scored as many goals as we have) and also for outperforming our XG against ( we should have conceded a lot more goals than we actually have).....

Whatever we all think of stats, and I know we have injuries, but they are quite disturbing....

COYS
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The only stats that matter is goals for and against. And as long as that is in our favour, how we get there is irrelevant to me.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Biggest player at losing the ball in that data I believe is Kudus
Who is also the player most would say keeps the ball best
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With Kudus it's makes sense, he has a very high utilisation rate as a percentage of our possessions. It's amongst the top 3 in the PL iirc. So it's makes sense that he will also be dispossessed the most amongst our players given the areas of the pitch he works in and even amongst PL as a whole given the lack of options we have in terms of combinational play.

I don't particularly think he holds on to the ball for too long but if our attacking options improve and he still does it then I'd see it as an area of concern.
 
Bishop said:
With Kudus it's makes sense, he has a very high utilisation rate as a percentage of our possessions. It's amongst the top 3 in the PL iirc. So it's makes sense that he will also be dispossessed the most amongst our players given the areas of the pitch he works in and even amongst PL as a whole given the lack of options we have in terms of combinational play.

I don't particularly think he holds on to the ball for too long but if our attacking options improve and he still does it then I'd see it as an area of concern.
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He always holds it’s too long imo
Because he knows he can beat the man he takes the first challenge but then gets a second man… in fact if he took the fouls more than staying up we would get more free kicks which suits Frank’s tactics
 
Kandi1977 said:
The only stats that matter is goals for and against. And as long as that is in our favour, how we get there is irrelevant to me.
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That could be a bit of a short sighted view if there are underlying issues that the basics stats don't reveal. We've previously had teams that looked good in terms of goals for ana against but the underlying numbers were concerning and in the long run that truth did come to pass.

I'm not saying that's the case this time but just that we do need to be aware that sometimes a pretty or pleasant facade can hide ugly truths.
 
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