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The "Official" 2013/14 Other teams matches thread

Shteve is doing a wonderful job at Derby, I've always thought he was a pretty good manager. I mean he must have been something special if Alex Ferguson had him in his assistant at United.. Gets him in, wins the treble in first year and league three years on the bounce, he leaves and managers Middlesbrough and Man Utd don't win the league that year. Does extremely well at a club like 'Boro, wins them silverware as well as overachieved to get them to the Europa League final. Leaves for the dreaded England managers job but then returns to club management with Twente where he wins them the league as well as achieved an impressive win ratio too. Blips? at Wolfsburg and Forest where he never lasted long as you don't these days and now at Derby where he's taking them to Championship contenders!
 
Utd's main tactics today:

1. hope for a good counter attack;
2. dive for a penalty;
3. hope for a good cross on an attacking set-piece.

They look crap, wouldn't surprise me if they still win though. Moyes will be under a lot of pressure if this is their level of performance without Rooney in the team.
 
africanspurs said:
was a dive but the argentine actually touched his left leg/foot
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To be fair I don't think that means anything whatsoever.

Since when did 'he touched him' become any justification for a penalty at all? A foul has to come from a touch, but a touch doesn't equal a foul.
 
Mumorn said:
Shteve is doing a wonderful job at Derby, I've always thought he was a pretty good manager. I mean he must have been something special if Alex Ferguson had him in his assistant at United.. Gets him in, wins the treble in first year and league three years on the bounce, he leaves and managers Middlesbrough and Man Utd don't win the league that year. Does extremely well at a club like 'Boro, wins them silverware as well as overachieved to get them to the Europa League final. Leaves for the dreaded England managers job but then returns to club management with Twente where he wins them the league as well as achieved an impressive win ratio too. Blips? at Wolfsburg and Forest where he never lasted long as you don't these days and now at Derby where he's taking them to Championship contenders!
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He's a good coach and does well in lesser leagues.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
To be fair I don't think that means anything whatsoever.

Since when did 'he touched him' become any justification for a penalty at all? A foul has to come from a touch, but a touch doesn't equal a foul.
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it tempers the absolutely disgusting reaction which i think was way over the top and almost void of what goes on these days. if you make a challenge and dont get the ball and you touch the opposition you could get a penalty against you. Hernandez felt a hair follicle from colocinnis locks and went down...it wasnt enough to bring him down but it wasnt like by the letter of the law that wasnt a foul ....just a bitch one

and you actually dont have to make contact for something to be a foul....the intent and also the impeding of progression counts too
 
Mumorn said:
That just comes with the 'Man Utd' brand. But a Man Utd team that consists of Nani, Cleverly, Jones, Januzaj and Evans in their starting eleven is no where near title contenders under Moyes. They still even have the likes of Anderson on the bench and even if Ryan Giggs pulls out 1 good performance in 20 games that gets blown out of proportion due to his age, he isn't good enough. Ferdinand is 35, Vidic is 32, Evra is 32. You have the likes of Ashley Young around the squad who isn't up the standards, Welbeck who was a promising youngster but is far too inconsistent and Zaha who for some reason can't even get in the starting line up for whatever the reason.

de Gea
Rafael - ? - ? - ?
Carrick - ?
? - Rooney - Kagawa
van Persie​

They need to build around that. So as you can see they need two new centre halves who will take them through the next 5 to 10 years. I don't even mind Evans actually, I think he is a solid dependable player but so was O'Shea for them but I think he can definitely be improved upon. Man Utd could have quite easily have gone out and signed Vertonghen for example for £8,000,000 but they didn't, that would have sorted them out. They need to go out and get a new left back too.

Carrick is fine, he's getting older but he's still crucial for them, what they need next to him is someone that will compliment him, funnily enough someone like Paul Pogba who has just been crowned Europes Best Youngster, oh how I bet they never got rid of him now. Rooney is fine playing off of van Persie, although they will need to start looking for a RVP replacement, unless they just decide to stick Rooney up top like they did one year and he scored over 30 goals. Kagawa should always be around the team. But the left hand side is where they need to strengthen, Rafael on his day is one of the best right backs in the league, has found it tough with injuries but his quality will prevail. This is where Zaha could probably come in, the guy is very talented and the sort of spark the United team need. I like the look of Januzaj too but I think he's one for the future, have him come off the bench and excite the fans, be a youngster who COULD come on and change the game but for me Zaha is more accomplished.

In fact whilst writing this I thought of that promising youngster they have on loan at Wigan.. Nick Powell. He has a very bright future in the game and I actually feel he could slot in nicely next to Michael Carrick if I am honest with you, I think he's already better than Cleverly and has ridiculous potential to be a top England international. If not, then I imagine Moyes will do his best to try and get Barkley to sign as he'd be equaly impressive next to Carrick.
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Absolutely spot on. Powell looks a great player in the making and a hola scoring midfielder. Farbregash would have been perfect for them.'

They have Jones to move into defence at some point but I think he will actually take. Carrick a role
 
Fergie did not leave Moyes a great squad if you think about it. Moyes was not fully backed in the market int he summer - im surprised by that totally. I think they will go on a massive spending spree if not January it will be next summer.
 
Another reason for me why Fergie retired, he simply knew the future didnt look too great without a massive rebuilding job which he obviously didnt fancy at 70
 
africanspurs said:
it tempers the absolutely disgusting reaction which i think was way over the top and almost void of what goes on these days. if you make a challenge and dont get the ball and you touch the opposition you could get a penalty against you. Hernandez felt a hair follicle from colocinnis locks and went down...it wasnt enough to bring him down but it wasnt like by the letter of the law that wasnt a foul ....just a bitch one

and you actually dont have to make contact for something to be a foul....the intent and also the impeding of progression counts too
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Agreed on your second line but on your first...I just don't see how that is in any way a penalty. He was conning the ref very clearly. Hargreaves was completely right at half time. I just don't see how you can say the slightest touch means it could be given as a foul or anything. It's like if you're contesting the ball on the half way line and two midfielders are going shoulder to shoulder. They are both touching each other much more than the slightest of ever so slight touches Collocini would have given the diver, but it they are not fouling each other.

Just because there has been a slight touch (and even that is debatable) it doesn't justify a foul.
 
I think there's been some good mind games from Pardew - he said that they would try and attack in the final 20 or so minutes if they were still level, so Man United came out for the second half with high intensity trying to score, but Pardew brings on Ben Arfa 5 minutes in and pegs them back almost immediately. He's gotten his rewards.

I like Pardew as a manger. Bit concerned that last year he couldn't manage a club to be consistent in Europe and the league but their squad was small in fairness. I think he's one of the most under-rated managers in the league. He's not seen as a top manager, and he's not even liked as an up and coming manager such as Potchettino or Laudrup. He's almost derided and laughed at by his fans and others and yet he's done a really good job.
 
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