Ozil and Sanchez leave for free, as does Wheelchair iirc. Mertesacker retires at the end of the season I think.
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The Goon Thread
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Ozil and Sanchez leave for free, as does Wheelchair iirc. Mertesacker retires at the end of the season I think.
Ramsey is only in CM on paper, his job is to be up in an attacking position. Wenger deliberately sacrifices CM for attacking domination. They really need some better CBs if they're going to play with an exposed defence and both FBs attacking.
Kandi1977
Garth Crooks
Non of them have any sort of positional disiplin. They often get caught with both high up on the pitch, with acres of space behind them. They're a mess!
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
Eh?............Lacazette and Sanchez the strike force that have never played a game together.
I know we like to bang on about small sample size but you've taken it to another level
Eh?............Lacazette and Sanchez the strike force that have never played a game together.
I know we like to bang on about small sample size but you've taken it to another level
They've not yet played together (the season is only 3 games old) but they are very good players and, I imagine, in the goons first choice XI. Again, comparable to the other top sides in the division. imo. Though obviously not as good as our Harry and Dele
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Arsenal have enough quality in attack to blow teams away at times.
I fully expect Lacazette and co to click into gear soon and go on something of a hot streak, and then of course the title talk will be rife.
However, Lacazette or not, Sanchez or not, they always do this. Then they start to stutter, and then they fail.
They have no defence, and hardly a midfield. This does not make a winning side in any league.
It does however look very good the brief periods where it works.
The lesser teams in this league are getting better and better, and nearly all can hurt you if you let them. Arsenal virtually invite attacks on their goal, its not a receipe for success.
There will of course be teams who get it wrong, who let Arsenal play, and those teams will be why Arsenal at times look good.
Itll be fun, but by the end of the season I dont see them in the mix.
And Ozil? Most over rated player in the league.
I fully expect Lacazette and co to click into gear soon and go on something of a hot streak, and then of course the title talk will be rife.
However, Lacazette or not, Sanchez or not, they always do this. Then they start to stutter, and then they fail.
They have no defence, and hardly a midfield. This does not make a winning side in any league.
It does however look very good the brief periods where it works.
The lesser teams in this league are getting better and better, and nearly all can hurt you if you let them. Arsenal virtually invite attacks on their goal, its not a receipe for success.
There will of course be teams who get it wrong, who let Arsenal play, and those teams will be why Arsenal at times look good.
Itll be fun, but by the end of the season I dont see them in the mix.
And Ozil? Most over rated player in the league.
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Stan Kroenke's abject US teams a warning things may get worse for Arsenal
Gunners fans may well despair at their club’s woes but they should be thankful they don’t support one of his teams on the other side of the Atlantic
Arsenal supporters are rightly wondering if it can get any worse for their side. Two losses in three matches to open the Premier League season, a manager in Arsène Wenger who has seemingly lost his touch and precious little done during the transfer window to improve the talent on the pitch. But if Arsenal fans are dismayed at the way the club’s majority shareholder, Stan Kroenke, runs affairs at the Emirates, a glance at his US teams offers little hope things will improve.
The metaphor that best describes Kroenke’s sports franchises is that of a dumpster fire. But, in his case, a raging trash fire isn’t a metaphor. Two years ago, before Kroenke’s NFL Rams team took on the Pittsburgh Steelers, the turf in St Louis’ Edward Jones Dome actually caught fire, delaying kickoff by nearly 30 minutes.
Not surprisingly, the blaze was as exciting as it got for the Rams that day, as they went on to lose, 12-6, and four months later left the city of St Louis forever for Los Angeles. Kroenke’s exit from St Louis was arguably the lowest act by a team owner in a league with more than its share of men who give billionaires a bad name.
Kroenke oversaw a Rams team that went 36-59-1 in his six years as majority owner in St Louis, only to then claim that fan apathy over the horrible product he put on the field necessitated a move to Los Angeles. Yes, to the City of Los Angeles, of all places, America’s leader in NFL apathy. When Kroenke pulled out of St Louis – following years of insisting he had no desire to ever do so – he left local taxpayers on the hook for the millions of dollars remaining on a loan the city took out in 1995 to build the Rams a stadium. And while that bill is a fortune to most, it’s pocket change to a man reportedly worth $6bn, a man who bought a ranch in Texas for $725m ... and then proceeded to evict the tenants who lived on the ranch. Kroenke’s actions make him not just a villain by NFL standards, but in the bottom tier of soulless billionaires the world over. No small feat.
At least if Kroenke stopped at nothing to put winning products on the field, it might be easier for some fans to excuse the man up top. But Kroenke’s teams are somehow as athletically inept as he is stupendously wealthy.
Arsenal supporters have every reason to be down on Wenger, but he’s twice the manager than the man Kroenke saddled the Rams with for nearly five seasons. Jeff Fisher’s legacy as a mediocre coach was clinched in 2010 after being let go by the Tennessee Titans (previously known as the Oilers), with whom he only had six winning seasons in 17 years.
Fisher was hired before the 2012 season by Kroenke and hyped as the man to turn the franchise around. He then failed to record a winning season with the Rams. Despite all the losing, Kroenke signed off on a two-year contract extension for Fisher last season when the Rams were out of the playoff picture ... only to then fire him two games later, one game before Fisher would have set the all-time NFL record for most losses by a coach.
“This is the right time to make a change,” Kroenke said of the firing, made eight days after the team announced Fisher’s contract extension. “Our performance has not lived up to my or our fans’ expectations. We all are focused on improving as an organization and building a team that makes Los Angeles proud.”
That seems unlikely to happen as long as Kroenke is at the helm. In a league in which the draft system and salary cap is supposed to ensure parity, and in which nearly 40% of the teams make the playoffs each year, Kroenke’s Rams haven’t been to the postseason since 2004 and haven’t even managed to finish a season above .500 since 2003 (a feat unmatched by any of the other 31 teams in the NFL). That isn’t likely to change this year or anytime soon.
The Rams are currently stuck with a quarterback in Jared Goff whose long-term upside could optimistically be described as “adequate”. This for a player the Rams paid a heavy price for a year ago in order to trade up to take with the No1 overall pick in the NFL draft. The team’s new head coach is Sean McVay, the youngest in NFL history at just 31 years of age. McVay is considered a bright offensive mind, but his inexperience makes it likely his Rams tenure will be nothing but a learning experience for a future job with another franchise. Meanwhile, the team’s best player (and the best defensive player in the league, Aaron Donald) refuses to sign a new contract and the Rams’ joint, $2.6bn stadium venture with the Los Angeles Chargers is already a year behind schedule and may not even be open by 2021. Until then, the Rams will continue to play in Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum, by any measure a more outdated venue than the facility the team left in St Louis.
Perhaps it would be some comfort to Arsenal supporters if the Rams were the only sports franchise that Kroenke has failed to lead to greatness. Alas, that is not true. Kroenke is the head of Kroenke Sports & Entertainment, which also owns the NHL’s Colorado Avalanche and the NBA’s Denver Nuggets. When Kroenke took over the Avalanche in 2000, the team was one of the league’s best. In fact, with a star-studded core in place, Colorado won the 2001 Stanley Cup. But the franchise has gradually slid to irrelevance. The Avs have made the playoffs once in the past seven years and last season were the worst team in the NHL by a large margin. The Nuggets have somehow been even more irrelevant under his ownership, missing the playoffs in four consecutive seasons (in the NBA, 16 of the league’s 30 teams make the post-season) and only getting past the first-round of the playoffs one time in 17 years since becoming part of Kroenke’s portfolio of failure. Nor are Arsenal even the first soccer club Kroenke has invested in. His Colorado Rapids did win the MLS title in 2010 but they have been far from a model of consistency, and have missed the playoffs in three of the last five seasons.
It’s unfair to pin every poor hiring or wasted draft pick on Kroenke. Even the most meddlesome owners don’t make all the moves. But it is fair to say that every sports organization Kroenke has touched – the Rapids possibly aside – has turned into an outright failure, and his fingerprints are all over Arsenal now, too.
For all of Kroenke’s failures in pro sports, he has never had one of his team’s get relegated. But that’s only because relegation does not exist in the US major leagues. Arsenal aren’t so fortunate. Of course, the prospect of relegation for a club with the Gunners’ resources and history is almost unthinkable. But with Kroenke’s vying for the title of worst owner in international sports history, there’s no reason to think he can’t pull it off. A place in the Championship would be his coup de grace.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-stan-kroenke-premier-league-los-angeles-rams
Gunners fans may well despair at their club’s woes but they should be thankful they don’t support one of his teams on the other side of the Atlantic
Arsenal supporters are rightly wondering if it can get any worse for their side. Two losses in three matches to open the Premier League season, a manager in Arsène Wenger who has seemingly lost his touch and precious little done during the transfer window to improve the talent on the pitch. But if Arsenal fans are dismayed at the way the club’s majority shareholder, Stan Kroenke, runs affairs at the Emirates, a glance at his US teams offers little hope things will improve.
The metaphor that best describes Kroenke’s sports franchises is that of a dumpster fire. But, in his case, a raging trash fire isn’t a metaphor. Two years ago, before Kroenke’s NFL Rams team took on the Pittsburgh Steelers, the turf in St Louis’ Edward Jones Dome actually caught fire, delaying kickoff by nearly 30 minutes.
Not surprisingly, the blaze was as exciting as it got for the Rams that day, as they went on to lose, 12-6, and four months later left the city of St Louis forever for Los Angeles. Kroenke’s exit from St Louis was arguably the lowest act by a team owner in a league with more than its share of men who give billionaires a bad name.
Kroenke oversaw a Rams team that went 36-59-1 in his six years as majority owner in St Louis, only to then claim that fan apathy over the horrible product he put on the field necessitated a move to Los Angeles. Yes, to the City of Los Angeles, of all places, America’s leader in NFL apathy. When Kroenke pulled out of St Louis – following years of insisting he had no desire to ever do so – he left local taxpayers on the hook for the millions of dollars remaining on a loan the city took out in 1995 to build the Rams a stadium. And while that bill is a fortune to most, it’s pocket change to a man reportedly worth $6bn, a man who bought a ranch in Texas for $725m ... and then proceeded to evict the tenants who lived on the ranch. Kroenke’s actions make him not just a villain by NFL standards, but in the bottom tier of soulless billionaires the world over. No small feat.
At least if Kroenke stopped at nothing to put winning products on the field, it might be easier for some fans to excuse the man up top. But Kroenke’s teams are somehow as athletically inept as he is stupendously wealthy.
Arsenal supporters have every reason to be down on Wenger, but he’s twice the manager than the man Kroenke saddled the Rams with for nearly five seasons. Jeff Fisher’s legacy as a mediocre coach was clinched in 2010 after being let go by the Tennessee Titans (previously known as the Oilers), with whom he only had six winning seasons in 17 years.
Fisher was hired before the 2012 season by Kroenke and hyped as the man to turn the franchise around. He then failed to record a winning season with the Rams. Despite all the losing, Kroenke signed off on a two-year contract extension for Fisher last season when the Rams were out of the playoff picture ... only to then fire him two games later, one game before Fisher would have set the all-time NFL record for most losses by a coach.
“This is the right time to make a change,” Kroenke said of the firing, made eight days after the team announced Fisher’s contract extension. “Our performance has not lived up to my or our fans’ expectations. We all are focused on improving as an organization and building a team that makes Los Angeles proud.”
That seems unlikely to happen as long as Kroenke is at the helm. In a league in which the draft system and salary cap is supposed to ensure parity, and in which nearly 40% of the teams make the playoffs each year, Kroenke’s Rams haven’t been to the postseason since 2004 and haven’t even managed to finish a season above .500 since 2003 (a feat unmatched by any of the other 31 teams in the NFL). That isn’t likely to change this year or anytime soon.
The Rams are currently stuck with a quarterback in Jared Goff whose long-term upside could optimistically be described as “adequate”. This for a player the Rams paid a heavy price for a year ago in order to trade up to take with the No1 overall pick in the NFL draft. The team’s new head coach is Sean McVay, the youngest in NFL history at just 31 years of age. McVay is considered a bright offensive mind, but his inexperience makes it likely his Rams tenure will be nothing but a learning experience for a future job with another franchise. Meanwhile, the team’s best player (and the best defensive player in the league, Aaron Donald) refuses to sign a new contract and the Rams’ joint, $2.6bn stadium venture with the Los Angeles Chargers is already a year behind schedule and may not even be open by 2021. Until then, the Rams will continue to play in Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum, by any measure a more outdated venue than the facility the team left in St Louis.
Perhaps it would be some comfort to Arsenal supporters if the Rams were the only sports franchise that Kroenke has failed to lead to greatness. Alas, that is not true. Kroenke is the head of Kroenke Sports & Entertainment, which also owns the NHL’s Colorado Avalanche and the NBA’s Denver Nuggets. When Kroenke took over the Avalanche in 2000, the team was one of the league’s best. In fact, with a star-studded core in place, Colorado won the 2001 Stanley Cup. But the franchise has gradually slid to irrelevance. The Avs have made the playoffs once in the past seven years and last season were the worst team in the NHL by a large margin. The Nuggets have somehow been even more irrelevant under his ownership, missing the playoffs in four consecutive seasons (in the NBA, 16 of the league’s 30 teams make the post-season) and only getting past the first-round of the playoffs one time in 17 years since becoming part of Kroenke’s portfolio of failure. Nor are Arsenal even the first soccer club Kroenke has invested in. His Colorado Rapids did win the MLS title in 2010 but they have been far from a model of consistency, and have missed the playoffs in three of the last five seasons.
It’s unfair to pin every poor hiring or wasted draft pick on Kroenke. Even the most meddlesome owners don’t make all the moves. But it is fair to say that every sports organization Kroenke has touched – the Rapids possibly aside – has turned into an outright failure, and his fingerprints are all over Arsenal now, too.
For all of Kroenke’s failures in pro sports, he has never had one of his team’s get relegated. But that’s only because relegation does not exist in the US major leagues. Arsenal aren’t so fortunate. Of course, the prospect of relegation for a club with the Gunners’ resources and history is almost unthinkable. But with Kroenke’s vying for the title of worst owner in international sports history, there’s no reason to think he can’t pull it off. A place in the Championship would be his coup de grace.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-stan-kroenke-premier-league-los-angeles-rams
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glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
LMWR
(Long May Wenger Reign)
(Long May Wenger Reign)
StephenH
David Ginola
This made me chuckle - Former England centre-half Joleon Lescott says that if given the choice, he would choose to play for Tottenham over Arsenal, but joked about being personally better off if he signed for Arsene Wenger’s side.
https://arsenal-mania.com/joleon-le...-over-tottenham-because-id-get-in-their-side/
https://arsenal-mania.com/joleon-le...-over-tottenham-because-id-get-in-their-side/
Briddo1882
Erik Edman
How did the Goons get on in the round 1 of Champs League matches? I have looked everywhere and can't see their result............!
LMFAO!
LMFAO!
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What odds on Wheelchair to start and get injured tonight?
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
You mean he's actually fit enough to start a football match?
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https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...jack-Wheelchair-arsenal-cologne-europa-league
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Lol, for a minute I thought that was what the Guardian had actually called their weblink!