I'm sorry Milo but reading your reply, it's like you weren't referring to my post at all? I mean using an example of gang-*struggle cuddle* in ducks as a reason why not example doesn't hold up is a bit extreme.
You haven't really disputed what I've said. I think it's clear a woman going up to a man has more of a chance than a man going up to a woman. Broadly, I'd say that's true. Sure, you can get guys, or groups of guys, that are generally 'good' with women and would be able to get sex out of them, and you can get women that would accept a lot of guys advances rather than rejecting them. That brings in loads of reasons such as self-esteem, up-bringing or attitudes in their environment, but broadly, I don't think it's equal at all. Excluding *struggle cuddle*, the female chooses and the man goes for it when given the opportunity. The man doesn't 'choose' because normally it isn't the woman initiating sexual advances on the man. So that's why it's looked upon worse for women. Maybe achievement isn't the right word, but it's kind of what I mean. There's no achievement for the woman, but there is for a man. I'm not saying that men should be praised for sleeping around while expecting women to be 'pure', I'm just saying that's why it is. It's not just hypocracy, there is a reason for it. I'd wager that if it was as tough for women to 'get sex' as it is for men, then there wouldn't be the issue of men being high fived while women get called slags.
And this isn't talking about fully grown up, mid 30s adults. In that case, the man has usually grown up, is fully confident in himself and that's what's attractive to a woman. He knows how to be around them and make them feel comfortable. And similarly a woman of that age is more likely to want to settle down. But from say 18-25, young women will be promiscuous if they want to be while a lot of young men are still finding themselves, wishing they knew how to talk to women and counting themselves lucky if they are able to find one that's willing to have sex with them. It's tough for a young man. Again, I'm not saying I agree with women getting called slags while men get let off. I think if you're single you should be able to do whatever you want, but there is a bit of a limit. Going around more than 2 or 3 of the same group of friends would probably be it IMO.
But anyway as I said, I don't mind women doing it. I'm just saying - the opportunities for men and women to have sex broadly aren't equal. You have men that are better at getting it, and women that are better at not 'giving' it, but broadly, women choose and men go with it. The man approaches, initiates and tries his luck and the woman chooses whether she likes what she sees.
