The Best Album Of All Time - The Stone Roses v Pink Floyd

[clownfoot]

not sure i'd agree with that, Barrett left very early in the grand scheme of things, i'd say Floyd's political attitude was very "punk" for a very long time

I'm guessing what he meant was the direction Floyd took that became known as Prog rock was one of the reasons punk had to happen, not their political attitude. Punk was the antithesis of that. Two and a half minute songs, easily accessible, social commentary.

Not to detract from Floyd, whom I can appreciate, but my favourite record of theirs is Piper. I'm definitely in the Barrett camp. But that cat is someone I can't explain...

 

[milo]

I'm guessing what he meant was the direction Floyd took that became known as Prog rock was one of the reasons punk had to happen, not their political attitude. Punk was the antithesis of that. Two and a half minute songs, easily accessible, social commentary.

Not to detract from Floyd, whom I can appreciate, but my favourite record of theirs is Piper. I'm definitely in the Barrett camp. But that cat is someone I can't explain...

 

[RomanzoCriminale]

I'm guessing what he meant was the direction Floyd took that became known as Prog rock was one of the reasons punk had to happen, not their political attitude. Punk was the antithesis of that. Two and a half minute songs, easily accessible, social commentary.

Not to detract from Floyd, whom I can appreciate, but my favourite record of theirs is Piper. I'm definitely in the Barrett camp. But that cat is someone I can't explain...

Summed up quite nicely thanks

I don't think a lot of people realise how important the Stone Roses were to British music and culture, Music was in a **** state before Baggy and the Rave scene. I hated that period between Live Aid and Madchester, going out on a night out was ****in awful, Rick Astley, Five Star, Luther Vandross, Michael Jackson Bad, yeah it was Bad, it was ****e and chances are you'd get you in a fight most weekends because groups of lads thought they were in a CREW. Rave changed all that in making everyone sorted and loved up with each other. The Stone Roses and that album changed everything with regards Indie music, it went from being a few Smiths fans (i was one) and nerdy Indie types into Half Man Half Biscuit, to something that became Cool as ****. The Roses and the other Baggy bands the Mondays, Charlatans etc paved the way for Britpop, then later the Monkeys, Libertines etc. They let Indie come out of the cupboard, and start its journey to becoming hip and part of mainstream culture ...... which i guess has been good and bad in some equal measures.

The Stone Roses =D>

 

[Jordinho]

Neither album comes close to Master of Puppets, so there.

 

[milo]

Summed up quite nicely thanks

I don't think a lot of people realise how important the Stone Roses were to British music and culture, Music was in a **** state before Baggy and the Rave scene. I hated that period between Live Aid and Madchester, going out on a night out was ****in awful, Rick Astley, Five Star, Luther Vandross, Michael Jackson Bad, yeah it was Bad, it was ****e and chances are you'd get you in a fight most weekends because groups of lads thought they were in a CREW. Rave changed all that in making everyone sorted and loved up with each other. The Stone Roses and that album changed everything with regards Indie music, it went from being a few Smiths fans (i was one) and nerdy Indie types into Half Man Half Biscuit, to something that became Cool as ****. The Roses and the other Baggy bands the Mondays, Charlatans etc paved the way for Britpop, then later the Monkeys, Libertines etc. They let Indie come out of the cupboard, and start its journey to becoming hip and part of mainstream culture ...... which i guess has been good and bad in some equal measures.

The Stone Roses =D>

A great post. One thing that younger posters may not appreciate is how hard it was to hear good new music in the 80's. Radio 1 was still stuck in the 60s/70s, if you wanted to hear anything new and interesting you had to wait up half the night. It was rare for an indie band to get a single into the top twenty. The episode of Top of the Pops when both the Roses and Mondays were on felt massive.

 

[thfcsteff]

Neither album comes close to Master of Puppets, so there.

So so underrated by 'mainstream'...

 

[thfcsteff]

A great post. One thing that younger posters may not appreciate is how hard it was to hear good new music in the 80's. Radio 1 was still stuck in the 60s/70s, if you wanted to hear anything new and interesting you had to wait up half the night. It was rare for an indie band to get a single into the top twenty. The episode of Top of the Pops when both the Roses and Mondays were on felt massive.

I saw them very early on in London, 1985, along with their huge music paper supporter of the time Gary Johnson. I don't remember a whole bunch about them other than the fact I thought 'the singer' had some majorly excellent attitude.

Floyd? I like Barrett, appreciated what he gave them in terms of genesis and root, but despite how great Piper…is, for me, Gilmour really did bring it all alive. What a player!

 

[milo]

I saw them very early on in London, 1985, along with their huge music paper supporter of the time Gary Johnson. I don't remember a whole bunch about them other than the fact I thought 'the singer' had some majorly excellent attitude.

Floyd? I like Barrett, appreciated what he gave them in terms of genesis and root, but despite how great Piper…is, for me, Gilmour really did bring it all alive. What a player!

They were still very much trying to find their feet in '85.

 

[scaramanga]

A great post. One thing that younger posters may not appreciate is how hard it was to hear good new music in the 80's. Radio 1 was still stuck in the 60s/70s, if you wanted to hear anything new and interesting you had to wait up half the night. It was rare for an indie band to get a single into the top twenty. The episode of Top of the Pops when both the Roses and Mondays were on felt massive.

I still remember the moment I was at a mate's house as a kid and I first heard his older brother playing I Wanna Be Adored - it was the most intriguing intro I'd ever heard.

 

[thfcsteff]

They were still very much trying to find their feet in '85.

Yes they were.
In fact, they had some heavy rock riffing in there, but his voice was always a huge marker and (of course) the guitar sound itself…but Johnson saw it all. he went on and on about them and what they would become...

 

[thfcsteff]

I still remember the moment I was at a mate's house as a kid and I first heard his older brother playing I Wanna Be Adored - it was the most intriguing intro I'd ever heard.

Well that is an outstanding song. Anthemic yet not in the macaronic way, it's just one of those special songs…the way Meadows uses it in his doc is perfect. Great film by the way that Shane Meadows doc, a lot of love in there and because he didn't try to dub that down and make it 'academic' the film ends up working!

 

[Yossarian]

Well that is an outstanding song. Anthemic yet not in the macaronic way, it's just one of those special songs…the way Meadows uses it in his doc is perfect. Great film by the way that Shane Meadows doc, a lot of love in there and because he didn't try to dub that down and make it 'academic' the film ends up working!

As I said, it's a generational thing. While I love the idea of a knockout competition, candidates would have been easier to evaluate on a release date basis.

Stone Roses is a fantastic album, but Wish You Were Here I can recite, bar by bar, and word by word, simply because I was at the optimum age to hear it when I did.