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Spurs v Stoke - Official match thread
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paxtonwolf
Tony Marchi
Just back home from the Sh#tannia. I take no pleasure in saying that was an absolute f#ckin shambles of a performance.
I never subscribed to the theory before today, but it really does look we are trying to finish 8th, it can be the only explanation for what I have just witnessed.
Outfootballed from the 1st minute to the last by Stoke City, yes Stoke f#ckin City, not Emirates Marketing Project or Chelsea or Arsenal. Stoke City Reds RUFC. Pathetic.
Fortunately if trying to finish 8th is the plan, luckily for us that want some sort of European football, it appears Southampton have the same plan. There had better be some reaction on the pitch next week that's all I can say.
Worst performance of the season I would say. Rant over
I never subscribed to the theory before today, but it really does look we are trying to finish 8th, it can be the only explanation for what I have just witnessed.
Outfootballed from the 1st minute to the last by Stoke City, yes Stoke f#ckin City, not Emirates Marketing Project or Chelsea or Arsenal. Stoke City Reds RUFC. Pathetic.
Fortunately if trying to finish 8th is the plan, luckily for us that want some sort of European football, it appears Southampton have the same plan. There had better be some reaction on the pitch next week that's all I can say.
Worst performance of the season I would say. Rant over
I work on project by project basis, so I get what your saying.... Thing is the project is not over for spurs and won't be until after the last game of our season. So no I don't buy this Dead rubber bullshi.t
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
We all know we have to look for the good value deals in the transfer market.
We got a good offer for him in January and accepted it. Along with wages saved it's a substantial amount of money brought into the club.
He was better cover than both Chiriches and Dier, but he was just that - cover! We've all seen how Pochettino gives playing time to young talent over experienced squad options. It's part of what we do and it's part of what I think will take us forward. And it's part of the reason why despite Walker being out injured for the whole first half of the season Naughton only made 5 PL starts (and no sub appearances) for us this season before leaving. Because even before Naughton left Pochettino would start Dier or Chiriches ahead of him, at least at times.
Doing so makes sense long term from a footballing perspective, and from a financial perspective (which ties in with the footballing perspective). It's part of what Pochettino gets praised for.
But the moment the youth policy doesn't provide immediate results.... Despite what we've seen from players like Walker and Rose growing from getting game time. Despite the emergence of Kane. The moment the youth policy doesn't provide immediate results you get reactions like "just making ridiculous excuses for a fudge up"...
It's Pochettino's first fudging season in charge and still, absolutely no fudging patience even with the youth development side of things. Despite his successes with players like Kane, Rose and Bentaleb people can't wait to blame the club for trusting a young talented player with bags of potential over a solid, but no more, PL squad option. Perhaps those of us that are more positive are at times making excuses, but I'd take that any day over a ridiculous lack of patience.
Hashegotthesackyet?
Gudni Bergsson
clam
Bullet
Andy Thompson
And also the first time Charlie Adam did not seriously injure one of our players since 2005.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
So play this 'young talented player with bags of potential', dammit. Why on Earth has neither head nor tail of Yedlin been seen in a first-team shirt, while we pay for our fudgeing loss of cover by shifting Chiriches back into the first-team picture and playing Dier out of position? Why on Earth is everyone here and on the Fighting rooster with a sniff of information on Yedlin writing him off as a player who will never make the PL grade? We could have bought Yedlin and kept Naughton, for all the difference this 'young talented player with bags of potential' has made to the squad composition: we would have been better off overall, given that Yedlin has clearly not been 'developed' by giving him first-team football anyway.
If it is our fate to make massive profits and never bother signing a decent player again so Levy can laugh while throwing youth-team players at a pleading Poch, so f*cking be it. But don't pretend that we were trying to 'develop' a player by buying him, never getting him first-team football, and concurrently losing some cover in order to do so, a decision which has arguably hampered Dier's growth as well. You hit it spot on:
Levy wanted to make bigger profits, and selling Naughton with no replacement was seen as an easy way to do so, because f*ck the playing side of things. 'Youth development', my ass. It was a money grab.
Kandi1977
Garth Crooks
If only we had Naughton.... Would have been challenging for the title had we kept him.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
As it obviously wasn't obvious enough. I was talking about Eric Dier. The clue to that was that I several times mentioned his name in the post you quoted...
Dier, bought in the summer, was the replacement. Because Walker was out with a long term injury Naughton wasn't sold until January.
Go ahead then. Make the argument how getting 15 PL starts at right back has hampered Dier's development.
Levy wants to make bigger profits. You might have noticed our break-even in the transfer market approach during the training ground and stadium projects... Making a bigger profit in the transfer market is a good thing.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Dier was the replacement for Naughton as a back-up...RB?
What? He was a center-back by trade when we bought him, has repeatedly said he damn well prefers playing at CB, has looked uncomfortable at RB countless times...and yet we are supposed to believe that we brought him in as RB cover?
What?
What the f*ck was Yedlin brought in for, then? And as for hampering Dier's development, have you seen how shaky he looks at both RB and CB positions these days? Fazio and Verts have been our preferred pairing there for a reason: do you think it inconceivable that playing Dier more in the position he's played all his career would have helped him forge better understandings with his CB partners and look less vulnerable in the process? Is that not 'harming his development', putting him in a position where he gets skinned on a regular basis and letting his CB skills wither as he tries to figure out how to play a position he himself admits to disliking?
Ha. Ha. HAAAAAAA.
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/pre...tables/premier-league-table-last-five-seasons
Break-even in the transfer market, my ass.
Yes, because with Yedlin we're clearly blazing a path into the elite.
By that brilliant logic, we can sell every one of our squad players and replace them all with 16 year olds from the academy, because 'yes, we clearly would have been challenging for the title had we kept Davies/Fazio/Vorm, no?'.
Making a weak squad weaker is apparently fine, and it baffles me how this can ever be considered 'normal'.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Ok, let's roll with this theory.
Who do you think the players are that we want to be sold in the summer? Were they playing today?
If so, the question has to be WHY they were playing if Poch thinks they are so brick they should be gone?
Also the 11 being played have mostly been the same since te League Cup final. Mostly the same players we were jizzing over for ther performances at home vs Arsenal and Chelsea. All of a sudden they are gone?
I don't buy it at all.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Did I say Dier was brought in only as RB cover?
Was mentioned somewhere around the time we bought him that in Portugal he was seen as a potential long term solution for the right back slot for the Portuguese national team should he chose to play for Portugal. Being used as a full back early on is pretty standard for a young centre back, and being cover for a full back position is a good way for a young centre back to get game time. This is all pretty standard, I cannot believe this is stuff you're unaware of.
As per usual whenever it comes to something that can be related to Levy you become (imo) rather irrational and our conversations end up going nowhere. Better to just stop it here I suppose, because me trying to explain stuff I feel confident you're aware of is not a good way to get over the post-loss blues.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Chirches, playing because of injuries. Soldado and potentially Dembele, coming on because we have no better options.
Keep playing the youngest team in Europe (tm) despite inevitable drops in form because the squad options are either not good enough, aware that their Spurs careers are over or both.
Doesn't seem unreasonable at all to me.
It staggers me how often I write inconsistency and young team on this forum. But it genuinely seems like this point gets ignored so much...
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
There is drop in form and then there is seemingly little effort. I don't think this can be totally explained by what you are saying. The players who ARE playing are getting worse by the week. Again, seemingly no cover for the defence from the CM area; why is Stambouli or Dembele not playing from the start to shore things up a little?
It's not like that would make them unsellable or anything.
Dier wasn't the problem today (even though he had a mare), he just highlighted the brick show of a defense we have had all season
- Vlad doesn't work in CB
- The midfield (yes you Chadli/Lamela), and the stupid fudging inverted wingers brick leaves our FBs overexposed
- Even worse, the inverted wingers overcrowd the midfield, so the only way our front line can get service is by making the FBs go forward
- We then give the opposition an out ball all day long with route 1 diagonals to their wingers ..
Poch should have not played Vlad in the center, Dier/Fazio play there, either play Vlad right or play the fudging Yank
With the makeshift defense, Paulinho (I feel dirty now) instead of Mason would have made sense, potentially even Dembele over Bentaleb or one of Chadli/Lamela
When it went to brick, really don't see how Soldado sub made sense ..
wiziwig
Steed Malbranque
I like Poch, I also like Mason and Bentaleb but I just don't get what's going on here with our midfield. They're clearly being played despite form and capability and freshness .
Honestly , I'm in my fifties and I reckon if I'm one on one against Mason , I fancy my chances, that I could push the ball past him and leave him . No trickery on my part needed , just push the ball past him and run after it .
As you say , why not give Stambouli or Dembele, or both a chance . I just don't get it .