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Remember that penalty against Bentancur...
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Robbo
Tom Huddlestone
I do. Refs don't, or don't care or just doesn't give a fudge as long as they screw us over and give Arse every possible advantage in their title quest.
I'm not really one for conspiracy theories, and want to believe inconsistencies in refereing is largely due to human error, but lately? Not really sure anymore.
There are double standards for handballs, for pushes in the back, for red cards, for holding in the box - even for kicking the ball away after celebrating.
And we always come out on the wrong end of those decisions. I just don't believe it's coincidental anymore.
I'm not really one for conspiracy theories, and want to believe inconsistencies in refereing is largely due to human error, but lately? Not really sure anymore.
There are double standards for handballs, for pushes in the back, for red cards, for holding in the box - even for kicking the ball away after celebrating.
And we always come out on the wrong end of those decisions. I just don't believe it's coincidental anymore.
mudshark
Simon Davies
The greatest lie ever propagated in football: "it all evens out in the end." And that's scarcely been any different, with or without VAR, largely due to the stupid "clear and obvious" get-out clause. Why should questions about fouls in the box have to be subject to a nebulous "clear and obvious" filter with deference to an on-field ref's perceptions, while offsides are scrutinized and pored over with microscopic precision taking minutes at a time, with no such criterion getting a mention? Just have the VAR ref apply the laws of the game, and if the on-field ref is wrong, he's wrong.
Edit: or, better still, bin it off altogether.
Edit: or, better still, bin it off altogether.
parklane1
Teddy Sheringham
I do wish they would.
Ace Face
Wayne Routledge
VAR has absolutely ruined the enjoyment of watching the game these days. Players are now flailing around at any form of contact knowing a VAR check may uncover a serious foul. That’s on top of regular 5 minute reviews for “clear and obvious” errors (which cannot then be claimed as neither clear or obvious) and the complete removal of any authentic goal celebrations as we all now have one eye on the ref every time.
For me, any check has to have a maximum allowed time for stoppage of play, say 30 seconds, after which the check is ended if no clear decision (ie. It’s not clear and obvious). Add in penalizing players for grabbing their face in pain when no contact was made. And refereeing set pieces must be addressed in the offseason to say all players, defense or attack, must face play and are not allowed to put arms around the opposition. Maybe even a max # of players allowed in the Six-yard box at any time. And tell the linesmen to put their flags up asap for offside for Christ’s sake!
Something has to be done. The game is brick to watch now.
For me, any check has to have a maximum allowed time for stoppage of play, say 30 seconds, after which the check is ended if no clear decision (ie. It’s not clear and obvious). Add in penalizing players for grabbing their face in pain when no contact was made. And refereeing set pieces must be addressed in the offseason to say all players, defense or attack, must face play and are not allowed to put arms around the opposition. Maybe even a max # of players allowed in the Six-yard box at any time. And tell the linesmen to put their flags up asap for offside for Christ’s sake!
Something has to be done. The game is brick to watch now.
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
The issue is your dont rectify a wrong decision by making the same one next time to compensate
We just need better rest and VAR that’s quick and willing to tell their mate they are wrong
We just need better rest and VAR that’s quick and willing to tell their mate they are wrong
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Lost Mango
Jose Dominguez
Chris Foy spouting off in defence of his old pals at PGMOL and how they get it all correct because, well, because refs and VAR are doing it right and no one understands.
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
They aren’t getting it correct
Even a blind man can see it
But similarly a mistake one week shouldn’t be rectified the next
Maybe I’m a fool but I dint mind crap refs if they are consistent and fair
Treats both teams equally as badly
Lost Mango
Jose Dominguez
Surely a mistake one week should be rectified the next?
there shouldn't be some sort of compensatory action for the hard done by team by the next week ref to make up for it but if the same thing happens in a game the next week you would hope the refs had talked all the decisions from the previous week over and worked out which ones had been incorrect.
Agree on the final two lines - that is why I don't see a need for VAR particularly. Human error I am quite happy with. Errors after review and still subjective BS is a different matter.
there shouldn't be some sort of compensatory action for the hard done by team by the next week ref to make up for it but if the same thing happens in a game the next week you would hope the refs had talked all the decisions from the previous week over and worked out which ones had been incorrect.
Agree on the final two lines - that is why I don't see a need for VAR particularly. Human error I am quite happy with. Errors after review and still subjective BS is a different matter.
Muttley
Dean Austin
Football is an easy game. You have a ball, goal-posts, a pitch and 22 guys and/or girls with an objective of scoring goals and not conceding them.
To optimise this concept you have a referee who is there to make sure those 22 guys or girls play to the LAWS of the game. They are not guidelines or rules. They are LAWS.
So when referees stop doing that, with or without tech, the entire system breaks down. Those guys and girls on the pitch change their behaviours based on what the officials do. Their coaches encourage this behaviour.
I'd love to get Webb, Cefferin and Infantino and once I've finished beating the crap out of them get them to understand this very simple concept. I'd explain to them what their officials are doing is the equivalent of a police officer treating the 100mph caught on a speed camera as 69mph and letting you go on your merry way. The tech works, but the humans are breaking the entire system.
The current officiating really is a RIP Football moment in the game's history. It is beyond a joke at this point and it seems that the PL is the worst in the world for it under Webb.
To optimise this concept you have a referee who is there to make sure those 22 guys or girls play to the LAWS of the game. They are not guidelines or rules. They are LAWS.
So when referees stop doing that, with or without tech, the entire system breaks down. Those guys and girls on the pitch change their behaviours based on what the officials do. Their coaches encourage this behaviour.
I'd love to get Webb, Cefferin and Infantino and once I've finished beating the crap out of them get them to understand this very simple concept. I'd explain to them what their officials are doing is the equivalent of a police officer treating the 100mph caught on a speed camera as 69mph and letting you go on your merry way. The tech works, but the humans are breaking the entire system.
The current officiating really is a RIP Football moment in the game's history. It is beyond a joke at this point and it seems that the PL is the worst in the world for it under Webb.
ricky2tricky4city
Barry Daines
One thing that needs to change is the almost 100% agreement by the referee to go along with the VAR decision when sent to the screen.
Before going to the screen the ref has only seen it in real time. He then sees all the angles the VAR ref has seen. He needs to stand up for himself if he doesn't see it quite the same way. Remembering he has the added advantage over VAR at this point of seeing it live.
What this also counteracts is onfield refs NOT making a decision, knowing VAR is there as a safety net. Make a decision in belief you're right.
Before going to the screen the ref has only seen it in real time. He then sees all the angles the VAR ref has seen. He needs to stand up for himself if he doesn't see it quite the same way. Remembering he has the added advantage over VAR at this point of seeing it live.
What this also counteracts is onfield refs NOT making a decision, knowing VAR is there as a safety net. Make a decision in belief you're right.