It's not just Japan, the same data are being reported all over the world.
Vaccination rates are moving all over the place, yet ASD detection is continuing an almost perfectly steady path.
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Vaccination rates are moving all over the place, yet ASD detection is continuing an almost perfectly steady path.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I know and I know that evidence is not going to convince @JPBB that he is wrong. The only logical conclusion from the evidence that we have to hand is that there is a massive conspiracy involving the governments of all developed nations, big pharma and academia. Nothing else can explain this.
I'm meeting up with a mate of mine who is a biochemist at Oxford University in a couple of days and I will be having very strong words with him about his part in this.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
I flirted with being anti-vaccine for a short while. The various members of my family in the medical profession slapped me out of it. Repeatedly.
On a slightly different note though, I do have a mistrust of big pharma organisations. Not necessarily for tin-foil reasons, but I don't feel they always operate in the interests of us plebs, which is kind of what their remit should be, right?
On a slightly different note though, I do have a mistrust of big pharma organisations. Not necessarily for tin-foil reasons, but I don't feel they always operate in the interests of us plebs, which is kind of what their remit should be, right?
No. Their remit is to provide the maximum return for their shareholders.
The vast majority of the time, that aligns with our needs, some light-touch regulation is required for the rest.
milo
Jack L. Jones
And decent state support for further education and independent research.
Maybe. It's one of the few uses of taxpayers' money that I'm not totally against.
I also believe that a similar effect could be created by the market with the right incentives.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Research is chronically underfunded in this country. Our approach is short-termist, investment in research in the long term is undoubtedly beneificial to the economy and it help keep brilliant people.
With the right incentives to nudge them in the right direction, why couldn't that be performed by the markets?
It is in a large way when it comes to medicine - there's a lot of blue sky stuff that gets funded there.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Because the market is far less willing to take a punt on the longer term stuff. I know from mates that have to chase funding for their research, it is really tough and good stuff does not get taken forward or gets lost to foreign labs due to lack of funding.
I would agree that we can do more to encourage companies to invest but it is never going to fill the whole gap. I'm not wanting to start a Brexit debate this thread but what has happened this year is going to make this country a lot less attractive to international companies to invest in research here, at least in the short term. The uncertainty around our involvement in European research programmes has also put us at a distinct disadvantage, there is anecdotal talk of European funding for UK research being difficult to get since 23 June.
Seedy Ron
Jimmy Neighbour
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-37211349
Those pharma bastards preventing people getting cancer. Is there no end to their monstrousness?! Someone should make a film about it.
Those pharma bastards preventing people getting cancer. Is there no end to their monstrousness?! Someone should make a film about it.
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
The eye watering prices the pharma companies charge for drugs always makes me wonder,
Excuse me doctor how much is my life saving drug?
£40,000 a month
I can't afford that
Oh well you'll die
Hmm I've no customers left, they're all dead, strange.
Excuse me doctor how much is my life saving drug?
£40,000 a month
I can't afford that
Oh well you'll die
Hmm I've no customers left, they're all dead, strange.
That's why the drugs are always priced at an affordable level - they do understand markets.
The prices have to be high - medical research is incredibly low-yield. You spend most of your time and money on treatments that never make it to market. When you do make it to market, you only get a limited time before you have to license other companies to produce clones for pennies.
In order for the investment to be worthwhile (and it's the investment that pays for the research) the initial per unit returns have to be high.
Before you complain about the price of drugs, ask yourself how much you last paid for paracetamol or aspirin.
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
I'm not complaining, I understand the business model they need to adhere to.
The point I was trying make with humour, obviously badly as it seems to escaped you the one person I thought would have got it, was just exactly what you've said. If as a lot claim the prices are too high they have no one left to sell it to.
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Sorry, probably me misreading. Threads like this tend to get my back up and make me assume everyone's a fool!
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
That's why the focus should be post-docs in university - highly talented, curious and will accept lower salaries as it's better than getting a real world job.
The Uni then sells the outputs to the drug companies.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
Thank you. Your first sentence confirms why I don't always trust them.
Sitting on my porcelain throne using Fapatalk
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
Everyone is a fool, you just need to find the right topic to help them expose it.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
that's the one thing you can trust, if anyone ever tells you they are doing something for anything other than financial gain, that's when they are lying
Millsy_Yiddo
Naybet
I was quoting my specific experience with one (we were talking about MMR specifically) who was initially totally reliant on the Wakefield study until I repeatedly pointed the other studies out, she then moved to it being the mercury in the vaccine to which I explained there is none so she then moved on to the vaccine taking over and 'beating' the childs immune system to which I explained its not a live vaccine therefore can't replicate and couldn't possibly beat the child's immune system. She's now saying that you have to trust the mothers not the doctors because mothers know their children best - This is an opinion, not a fact.
To discuss your point, You mention millions that were pro vaccine before they jabbed their kids which resulted in vaccine damage.
1. How have they proven it was the vaccine?
2. What kind of vaccine damage are we talking about? Specifically autism or other issues?
3. I don't believe anyone has ever been told there are no side effects to vaccines and they are totally safe. In fact on the label there's a big list of side effects and their likelihood of occurrence just like there are with all drugs. As someone previously said all drugs (not just vaccines) are about risk/benefit ratio to the patient.
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Why do you need to convince me that I am wrong? I would never try and stop your pumping your kids full of all these vaccines. If you want to do that - knock yourself out. You believe they are risk free. I happen to think they are very risky and I just don't want to be part of it. And I don't want my kids to be part of it.
The refusal of the medical establishment to accept any challenge on vaccines is worrying. The CDC recommends over a 100 shots of vaccine for an american kid by the time they 18.
They are over 400 more vaccines in development. Why? If you get a vaccine on the CDC recommended list it worth $50 billion over its life. As Scara proudly says the imperative for big pharma is returning profits for their shareholders - not our best interests.
Every single one of those vaccines is safe? Every one is necessary? There are no side effects of any these? It is worth the risk? We shouldn't question what is going on here? We shouldn't question why autism rates have increased 20,000% in 50 years? The rate is increasing so fast that in 20 years 1 in 4 kids will be autistic if nothing changes.
The tide is turning against the type of blind faith in Big Pharma that we see from so many of the internet warriors. They are now millions of people questions their role in this catastrophe.
See the film, even if you don't agree with. It raises important issues and I would say the arguments are compelling.
The film is doing very well in the America (despite Big Pharma threatening to withdraw advertising to cinemas that showed it - why would they do that in the land of free speech?). Fortunately Amazon is big enough to resist such bullying tactics and Vaxxed the movie sits at the top of their charts and with great reviews (which gives me much pleasure)
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