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Poor league results

I think we can keep the majority for one more season even if we aren't in the champions league. im hoping the new stadium will be a reason to stay

I'm with you on that - given two consecutive CL seasons, plus the new stadium, I'm hopeful that we'd keep the vast majority of the squad together. My main concern would be Barca / Eriksen. Two consecutive seasons without CL though I think would be difficult

Rose will go but thats known already and as long as we get a good price, replace with Sessegnon (say) and strengthen elsewhere then thats fine
 
Not that the idea that Poch is in any trouble whatsoever should be taken seriously but just to engage for a second...

At the time I was gutted AVB was let go. But he wasn’t necessarily let go for our league position at the time, he was let go because he showed himself that previous summer that he wasn’t the kind of coach that he claimed he could be in the interview process. He didn’t want to invest in youth. He wanted to spend big money on big players. It’s an unsustainable position for us to be in given our strengths and weaknesses vs that of other clubs, so he had to go. The home thrashing by Liverpool was just the excuse to pull the trigger.

Sherwood was let go because despite trusting in youth, the players didn’t believe he was tactically strong enough to get them competing consistently against the bigger sides at the top of the table.

Harry was let go because he courted the England job and even that was probably just an excuse to deal with the fact that again strategically, he wasn’t right for us long term. In a weird way he probably did him a favour as his legacy lives on with a lot of people thanking him for the best football in their Spurs supporting lives. But he again would have wanted money and was not so focussed on youth. Eventually the other clubs would have outspent him.

Ramos was let go because he was a disaster unfortunately, ticking the boxes on paper but not working out due to culture shock (and selling a 50 goal strike force without replacing them).

Basically, what I’m trying to say is that when thinking about who to have as manager, it is about strategy. About strengths and weaknesses vs those of other clubs. We need someone that is strong enough tactically that we can compete against the big sides. Someone that plays a system to get better than the sum of our parts. Someone that trusts in youth and doesn’t need too much money. Poch is that guy. He is going nowhere. There is simply no one we could get who would do a better job than him right now.

He may, may (maaaaaaaay!), may stop being the right guy if we get bought by a billionaire and have Emirates Marketing Project money to play with. If that happens, youth is not as important as managing big egos. It will then be about whether Poch adapts to the different requirements or whether we bring someone in who is a natural at doing so, a specialist. But that is a long way off.
 
Technically yes. But IF you choose the internet to vent your frustrations, and if you only venture onto the internet to vent frustrations, you become part of the keyboard world which ends up perpetuating negativity and manifests itself as 'pressure'. Our recent 'poor form' has amounted to four games (between which was a corker in the CL). And injuries. And some strange stuff for sure. But frankly, I think people 'venting their frustrations' need to grow a pair. And fast. Because what happens when expectations have been raised significantly over a three year period is that when we aren't thrashing the pants off everyone, when we run into a bit of stumblage, the 'frustrated' rise in their frustrated frustrations and start to drum up a wall of whinge...which gets grabbed by some lay sod at some internet company...which gets parlayed into a rumor...which gets adopted as 'fact' by some thick clams...which suddenly births the word 'crisis'...and then there's pressure.

No-one's saying clap and be happy, but it would be fantastic if some people could learn to be a bit more articulate and aware of context/present context to their observations at these times...

Great post steff, and one i agree 100% with.
 
@ricky2tricky4city @parklane1 @Daisuk Must have just been where I was then. Blokes screaming at Atkinson to send Dier off because Poch won't drop or take him off for being crap all season, having tantrums over the subs and the like. Its all a bit too entitled for me when we aren't playing well. I just accept it as one of those things, it is frustrating but some peoples reaction is like they are observing Spurs from a parallel universe quite frankly.
 
@ricky2tricky4city @parklane1 @Daisuk Must have just been where I was then. Blokes screaming at Atkinson to send Dier off because Poch won't drop or take him off for being crap all season, having tantrums over the subs and the like. Its all a bit too entitled for me when we aren't playing well. I just accept it as one of those things, it is frustrating but some peoples reaction is like they are observing Spurs from a parallel universe quite frankly.
The thing is that all these so-called supporters and know-it-alls on this forum are always perfect in every aspect of their own lives, and the most knowledgable football men and women in the history of the game, so they are of course entitled to criticize Poch and the squad for not beating everyone 5-0 or not playing to their maximum potential every minute of every game.
 
@ricky2tricky4city @parklane1 @Daisuk Must have just been where I was then. Blokes screaming at Atkinson to send Dier off because Poch won't drop or take him off for being crap all season, having tantrums over the subs and the like. Its all a bit too entitled for me when we aren't playing well. I just accept it as one of those things, it is frustrating but some peoples reaction is like they are observing Spurs from a parallel universe quite frankly.


Well they are dingdongheads/arseholes everywhere and they are a few at the grounds as well, thankfully they are in the minority, after all most fans who spend time and money traveling to the games are pretty stupid if they do not go to support their team rather then slag them off.
 
18 points from the top! Which ever way one spins this is a huge gap......:(
This gap is very sobering and has almost crept up on me!
 
Well they are dingdongheads/arseholes everywhere and they are a few at the grounds as well, thankfully they are in the minority, after all most fans who spend time and money traveling to the games are pretty stupid if they do not go to support their team rather then slag them off.

Again, if I hear anyone talking brick like that near me, I let them know my feelings quickly.
tossers.
 
Interesting read on our 'slump' in the league;

Collecting only five points from their last six matches, Tottenham Hotspur are under pressure to claim a home win against Stoke City on Saturday. Adrian Clarke analyses why Mauricio Pochettino’s side have struggled in recent Premier League matches.

Intensity maintained
A dip in form at both ends of the pitch has sent Mauricio Pochettino’s side out of the League’s top four.

Fatigue does not appear to be the issue.

Over the course of the last six PL matches Spurs have made significantly more high-intensity sprints than they did during a run of six wins, two draws and one defeat between August and late October.

Throughout this recent poor run they have also covered more distance per match.

And that increase in application is reflected in their defensive stats. Spurs have made extra tackles, interceptions and ball recoveries during a string of largely disappointing results. There has been no downturn in effort or aggression.

Spurs in 2017/18
MW1-9 MW10-15
Tackles/match
15.8 16.3
Interceptions/match 6.9 11.8
Recoveries/match 58.0 63.3
Sprints/match 514.9 577.7
Km/match 114.0 114.9


Defensive mistakes
So, what has gone wrong for a team that was flying high not so long ago?

Defensively, they have made a series of previously uncharacteristic errors.

Playing in central defence Eric Dier reacted slowly to a flick-on for Manchester United’s winner at Old Trafford, and the same player’s marking contributed to both goals in the north London derby.

Davinson Sanchez has also endured a difficult period.

The Colombian was outmuscled by Salomon Rondon for West Bromwich Albion’s opener in the 1-1 draw at Wembley Stadium. At King Power Stadium he failed to track Jamie Vardy for Leicester City’s first goal, before reacting too slowly to block Riyad Mahrez’s winner.

At Watford, Sanchez also misjudged the angle of his approach towards Richarlison, a mistake that prompted his high arm that led to his second-half dismissal.

The absence of Toby Alderweireld has not helped, but Pochettino’s tinkering with his defence may also have been a factor.

Across the last six PL matches Spurs have started with four different combinations in the centre of their defence, with a couple of mid-match alterations also thrown in by the manager for good measure.

When Spurs had a settled back three with Sanchez playing between Jan Vertonghen and Alderweireld, they picked up four wins and a draw, conceding just three goals. That unit appears to be their best.

Spurs' attack in 2017/18
MW1-9 MW10-15
Shots in box/match
10.3 7.7
Shots outside box/match 8.2 7.3
Shot-conversion rate 11.5% 4.4%
Goals/match 2.6 0.7

Goal slump
The goals have also dried up in recent weeks for Spurs. Their average of more than 2.5 a match for the opening nine fixtures has dipped to just 0.66 per match since.

Their shot-conversion rate has slumped alarmingly from 11.5% to 4.4% across that period, too.

Their attacking midfielders, Dele Alli and Christian Eriksen, have not been at their sharpest, and fitness issues have also affected the form of top scorer Harry Kane.

Their star striker is making more sprints per match now than earlier in the campaign, but, tellingly, fewer gilt-edged opportunities are falling his way.

Kane’s average shots per 90 have dropped from 6.46 to 4.91 since the win over Liverpool on 22 October.

Spurs have found it more difficult to break down opponents of late, especially those who sit deep and put men behind the ball.

In matches at Wembley Stadium this issue has yet to be resolved.

They scored four times against an attack-minded Liverpool side but in the other six home matches they have produced just five goals.

To take all three points off Stoke this weekend Pochettino will hope his players avoid a repeat of recent defensive errors and that his attack can rediscover its creativity of earlier in the season.
 
Interesting read on our 'slump' in the league;

Collecting only five points from their last six matches, Tottenham Hotspur are under pressure to claim a home win against Stoke City on Saturday. Adrian Clarke analyses why Mauricio Pochettino’s side have struggled in recent Premier League matches.

Intensity maintained
A dip in form at both ends of the pitch has sent Mauricio Pochettino’s side out of the League’s top four.

Fatigue does not appear to be the issue.

Over the course of the last six PL matches Spurs have made significantly more high-intensity sprints than they did during a run of six wins, two draws and one defeat between August and late October.

Throughout this recent poor run they have also covered more distance per match.

And that increase in application is reflected in their defensive stats. Spurs have made extra tackles, interceptions and ball recoveries during a string of largely disappointing results. There has been no downturn in effort or aggression.

Spurs in 2017/18
MW1-9 MW10-15
Tackles/match
15.8 16.3
Interceptions/match 6.9 11.8
Recoveries/match 58.0 63.3
Sprints/match 514.9 577.7
Km/match 114.0 114.9


Defensive mistakes
So, what has gone wrong for a team that was flying high not so long ago?

Defensively, they have made a series of previously uncharacteristic errors.

Playing in central defence Eric Dier reacted slowly to a flick-on for Manchester United’s winner at Old Trafford, and the same player’s marking contributed to both goals in the north London derby.

Davinson Sanchez has also endured a difficult period.

The Colombian was outmuscled by Salomon Rondon for West Bromwich Albion’s opener in the 1-1 draw at Wembley Stadium. At King Power Stadium he failed to track Jamie Vardy for Leicester City’s first goal, before reacting too slowly to block Riyad Mahrez’s winner.

At Watford, Sanchez also misjudged the angle of his approach towards Richarlison, a mistake that prompted his high arm that led to his second-half dismissal.

The absence of Toby Alderweireld has not helped, but Pochettino’s tinkering with his defence may also have been a factor.

Across the last six PL matches Spurs have started with four different combinations in the centre of their defence, with a couple of mid-match alterations also thrown in by the manager for good measure.

When Spurs had a settled back three with Sanchez playing between Jan Vertonghen and Alderweireld, they picked up four wins and a draw, conceding just three goals. That unit appears to be their best.

Spurs' attack in 2017/18
MW1-9 MW10-15
Shots in box/match
10.3 7.7
Shots outside box/match 8.2 7.3
Shot-conversion rate 11.5% 4.4%
Goals/match 2.6 0.7

Goal slump
The goals have also dried up in recent weeks for Spurs. Their average of more than 2.5 a match for the opening nine fixtures has dipped to just 0.66 per match since.

Their shot-conversion rate has slumped alarmingly from 11.5% to 4.4% across that period, too.

Their attacking midfielders, Dele Alli and Christian Eriksen, have not been at their sharpest, and fitness issues have also affected the form of top scorer Harry Kane.

Their star striker is making more sprints per match now than earlier in the campaign, but, tellingly, fewer gilt-edged opportunities are falling his way.

Kane’s average shots per 90 have dropped from 6.46 to 4.91 since the win over Liverpool on 22 October.

Spurs have found it more difficult to break down opponents of late, especially those who sit deep and put men behind the ball.

In matches at Wembley Stadium this issue has yet to be resolved.

They scored four times against an attack-minded Liverpool side but in the other six home matches they have produced just five goals.

To take all three points off Stoke this weekend Pochettino will hope his players avoid a repeat of recent defensive errors and that his attack can rediscover its creativity of earlier in the season.

Interesting read. Thanks for posting. :)
 
Great result today. Two wins on the trot. Looks like Poch has got his arse in gear. Hopefully kick starts a winning run. If we played like this every week, we wouldn't need threads like these.

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Great result today. Two wins on the trot. Looks like Poch has got his arse in gear. Hopefully kick starts a winning run. If we played like this every week, we wouldn't need threads like these.

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Mate, fair play to you coming back on here with a positive post. I whole heartedly agree with your comments. Let's hope this is indeed a turning point.
 
Just like the opening post of this thread his latest post is premature - two games on the spin against lowly opposition doesnt mean much in the grand scheme of things just like the run of poor games earlier didn't signal the end of days
 
Just like the opening post of this thread his latest post is premature - two games on the spin against lowly opposition doesnt mean much in the grand scheme of things just like the run of poor games earlier didn't signal the end of days

It does though as these are teams we should be beating and have to, to achieve our goals

Arsenal have made themselves mainstays in the top 4 form beating the weaker teams
 
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