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monkeybarry said:
You mean those that came through the Hitler youth?
It is a very good question.
And as uncomfortable as it is, society has to look at it's own impact in creating these situations. Just as Naziism was affected by political actions of other countries, so has the situation in the middle East.
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I agree in part with this but as humans there is still a level of personal responsibility needed. Liken it to being kids, we all get up to mischief because sometime in part down to peer pressure and influence from friends but you still accountable for what you do, be it stealing a bag of sweets or going for a joy ride. I know it seems polar examples but its the same fundementals. As humans you know the line but if you choose to ignore it thats your responsibility.

On the second point there is no doubt a knock on effect of whats gone on in the Middle East but then you have to root out the true reasoning on all this. It goes back to my earlier point of just using excuses to circumnavigate the system, many could be fighting under the banner of wanting the world to exists under the banner of Islam (plent of them radicals about) rather than fighting the holy war against the west due to Iraq, but when asked the reason you can say anythign.
 
7 Labour MPs resign this morning. No real surprises as to who.

I don't think the timing makes a lot of sense, they would have been better off going earlier. As it is, they will have their moment grandstanding, but then what? Too little, too late imo.
 
the dza said:
7 Labour MPs resign this morning. No real surprises as to who.

I don't think the timing makes a lot of sense, they would have been better off going earlier. As it is, they will have their moment grandstanding, but then what? Too little, too late imo.
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The timing seems odd.
Ummuna and Leslie are pretty big figures and presumably a it's the start of a centre left next party movement.

Presumably they are resigned (pun intended) to the fact a GE won't be happening anytime soon and we are entering a future of hung parliaments. A few years to get a new party together with a clear focus and then the ability to coalition with labour and other junior parties (LD, SNP) in the future?
 
monkeybarry said:
The timing seems odd.
Ummuna and Leslie are pretty big figures and presumably a it's the start of a centre left next party movement.

Presumably they are resigned (pun intended) to the fact a GE won't be happening anytime soon and we are entering a future of hung parliaments. A few years to get a new party together with a clear focus and then the ability to coalition with labour and other junior parties (LD, SNP) in the future?
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They will merge with Lib Dems and all re-brand under one umbrella imo.

I don't think it's a bad thing overall. There will then be a party of the left (Labour) a party of the centre (as yet to be named) and a party of the right (Tories).
 
However, I don't see any of them winning their seats standing as Independents. I'd have to look more into what the numbers are in their constituencies, but I can't see Chukka beating the Labour candidate in Streatham next time around. And if there is an election sooner than people expect (which did happen last time around) then I think they are very unprepared.
 
the dza said:
However, I don't see any of them winning their seats standing as Independents. I'd have to look more into what the numbers are in their constituencies, but I can't see Chukka beating the Labour candidate in Streatham next time around. And if there is an election sooner than people expect (which did happen last time around) then I think they are very unprepared.
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I think the part re; Streatham is interesting.
Most of London isn't going to go blue for sure, but anti-Semitism and attacks against ethic diversity would sit well in diverse communities
 
monkeybarry said:
I think the part re; Streatham is interesting.
Most of London isn't going to go blue for sure, but anti-Semitism and attacks against ethic diversity would sit well in diverse communities
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Do people on here think there is an anti semitism problem in Labour? I see alot of fights on social media between JC supporters and those making claims, the woman in Liverpool got a huge barage for making that claim.
 
StephenH said:
I presume you are Jewish. You see for me discrimination is just part of 'normal' life I now don't react or generally even notice it.
I find getting uptight or hurt by these types is just giving them oxygen.
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I'm not.

I think discrimination is generally getting worse in the UK, the race from the centre by both Labour and Conservative has emboldened those with extreme views to be more vocal.
 
StephenH said:
I presume you are Jewish. You see for me discrimination is just part of 'normal' life I now don't react or generally even notice it.
I find getting uptight or hurt by these types is just giving them oxygen.
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I agree with you that discrimination is part of everyday life. To a certain degree it's essential in people not being robots.
But the difference is active discrimination based on character traits Vs passive discrimination where your choices inevitably disadvantage someone else.

The issue with the labour party is that it has a problem within the party and have failed to act.
You can't stop people being dingdongs, but you can disassociate those people and those views from direct correlation with yourself/group.
Labour have failed to do the latter.
 
Well who would have thunk it? Berger was going to get dumped anyway, so she bailed. I'm glad to see these right wingers out... all seven of the dirty rats. Berger really is a conviction politician isn't she? No chance of her resigning her seat, won on the back of Labour finance and organization. Oh no, she's staying right where she is, as well as the others. tinkle weak all seven and anybody who votes for them is a mug!
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Well who would have thunk it? Berger was going to get dumped anyway, so she bailed. I'm glad to see these right wingers out... all seven of the dirty rats. Berger really is a conviction politician isn't she? No chance of her resigning her seat, won on the back of Labour finance and organization. Oh no, she's staying right where she is, as well as the others. tinkle weak all seven and anybody who votes for them is a mug!
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You tell them mate, come the glorious revolution eh.
 
scaramanga said:
At just about any other time in living memory, a group of prominent MPs leaving a party because it was institutionally prejudiced against a protected minority group would be the end of that party.

Just goes to show how strange these times are and how entrenched the belief that a political party can be one's side like a football team is.
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That's not why they are leaving though. There could be the same number of anti-semitic cranks in the Labour Party but if the leadership was politically aligned with these politicians, they (as in the politicians who have resigned) would still be there. Why is Jon Lansman supported by the left but Berger not? They are both Jewish. The chair of Berger's CLP is Jewish, but he was against her. Is it because he, as a Jewish man, hates Jews?

It can be acknowledged that there is a problem with a number of cranks (small in the context of an organisation with over 500k members) that hasn't been dealt with properly, whilst at the same time acknowledging that said problem has been amplified and used by those with a different political agenda for political purposes. No amount of pearl clutching will change that simple fact.
 
StephenH said:
I presume you are Jewish. You see for me discrimination is just part of 'normal' life I now don't react or generally even notice it.
I find getting uptight or hurt by these types is just giving them oxygen.
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Agree with this, however it seems we now live in a world where everyone feels they have a right to be offended. No matter what is said.
 
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