Something for everyone to like and dislike about it. I think the country would, in the main, breathe a sigh of relief and be happy to move on if this is what Parliament come up with.
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Something for everyone to like and dislike about it. I think the country would, in the main, breathe a sigh of relief and be happy to move on if this is what Parliament come up with.
I'm really not sure there is a majority in Parliament for a 2nd referendum. There might be, but I don't think it's a done deal. There's also no guarantee 'Remain' would win in a 2nd referendum -- there's no guarantee it'd even be on the ballot paper. So sticking with the first referendum result, technically satisfying 'Leave' and shoring things up with EFTA seems to be the lowest risk option (in the event that May's deal gets voted down).
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
This appears to be part of the legal advice, if anyone's interested.
http://2mbg6fgb1kl380gtk22pbxgw-wpe...al-Agreement-Legal-and-Governance-Aspects.pdf
My guess: it's a deliberate leak which omits elements that won't be in Cox's statement to the House.
http://2mbg6fgb1kl380gtk22pbxgw-wpe...al-Agreement-Legal-and-Governance-Aspects.pdf
My guess: it's a deliberate leak which omits elements that won't be in Cox's statement to the House.
What is the big issue around the legal advice? I know they want it published, but what do they hope to get from it? I don't really have a clue what it's all about.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
The one thing that might clinch it is if they sold the 'freedom of movement of workers' that EFTA requires as being different to 'freedom of movement of people' that the EU insists on. It doesn't really address the fundamental social dumping problem, but it might be a carrot to those in the east of the country whose specific big grievance is the gypsy issue
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
It's air cover for voting against the deal on sovereignty grounds, really, nothing more. Now, of course, it's become an excuse to show up May for being secretive and mendacious. With the possible result that she could end up being found in contempt of Parliament, and perhaps banned from the place, or even confined in the clocktower. Which would be nice.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
And everyone knows what it says - that the Withdrawal Agreement is inescapable and that we'll be subjected to permanent customs union.
Also legal advice is fairly valueless - what's the old saying - get 10 lawyers and you'll get 15 different opinions.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Labour are pinning their hopes on an election first. Fail at that and the referendum will suddenly get a lot more weight behind it.
I also think its pretty likely Remain would win a referendum. When you have ardent Brexiteers saying its better to stick in that take that abortion of a deal, it speaks volumes. The vote was a close run thing before, could easily sway to remain.
And then, hurrah! All the self important clams who call themselves politicians get to go back to doing nothing for a living.
As much as anything its about making May look bad. Not difficult. Though, given Parliament agreed it should be released, and she refuses, it also raises the spectre of "what are you hiding" and the idea she is trying to bluff a deal through Parliament that is even worse than they feared.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Open government is very important
This is a lot more crucial than the impact assessments as well. Impact assessments are projections based on past trends without future agency; so basically worthless. But the details of legally binding agreements are very different.
This is a lot more crucial than the impact assessments as well. Impact assessments are projections based on past trends without future agency; so basically worthless. But the details of legally binding agreements are very different.
Ahh. Well, in that case...
It's an outrage that the government have done this!
etc.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
It is, really.
Not least because Parliament voted for it, and is now being ignored.
But because this is an enormous decision, this vote critical, to not offer Parliament all the information on what they will vote for is IMHO criminal.
"Here you go guys, vote for what I want, its what I think is best, and, err - just take my word for it. OK?"
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Suzanne Evans's statement in full
Enough is enough. Having been increasingly alarmed in recent months by the perverse direction in which Gerard Batten is taking UKIP – with no mandate from members – I have reached the end of the road.
I was hoping, yesterday, that sense would prevail; that UKIP’s National Executive Committee would call for a ‘no confidence’ vote in Batten, so the party could be prevented from taking a devastatingly wrong turn. But if even those elected to represent ordinary members won’t protect UKIP from a leader who appears hell bent on destroying it from within, then there is no hope left.
As the NEC’s abject failure of responsibility follows hot on the heels of a similar failure by UKIP’s remaining MEPs to force the issue, I feel I have no option but to join the thousands of other good, decent former UKIP members in walking out of the door in disgust at the radical change in UKIP’s direction.
The NEC and UKIP MEPs might be willing to turn a blind eye to the obvious attempts by Gerard and Tommy Robinson to orchestrate a ‘Momentum-style’ takeover of UKIP, but I am not. Having planned to simply let my membership lapse in March, when it is due for renewal, I have today cancelled it instead.
I joined UKIP because it was a Brexit party, and because I wanted a referendum on our EU membership. I would never have joined UKIP as it stands today, obsessed as it is with becoming a successor to the BNP and the EDL, and putting an increasingly hostile and vicious focus on attacking the Muslim community en masse.
I am very proud of my work with UKIP in the past, and all I have previously helped the party achieve. I have no regrets on that front whatsoever. However, the time has most definitely come to completely sever my connection to UKIP because, quite simply, it is no longer the party I joined, and it is not now one I want any part of.
I will continue to campaign in whatever capacity I can for the UK to make a clean break from the EU.
Enough is enough. Having been increasingly alarmed in recent months by the perverse direction in which Gerard Batten is taking UKIP – with no mandate from members – I have reached the end of the road.
I was hoping, yesterday, that sense would prevail; that UKIP’s National Executive Committee would call for a ‘no confidence’ vote in Batten, so the party could be prevented from taking a devastatingly wrong turn. But if even those elected to represent ordinary members won’t protect UKIP from a leader who appears hell bent on destroying it from within, then there is no hope left.
As the NEC’s abject failure of responsibility follows hot on the heels of a similar failure by UKIP’s remaining MEPs to force the issue, I feel I have no option but to join the thousands of other good, decent former UKIP members in walking out of the door in disgust at the radical change in UKIP’s direction.
The NEC and UKIP MEPs might be willing to turn a blind eye to the obvious attempts by Gerard and Tommy Robinson to orchestrate a ‘Momentum-style’ takeover of UKIP, but I am not. Having planned to simply let my membership lapse in March, when it is due for renewal, I have today cancelled it instead.
I joined UKIP because it was a Brexit party, and because I wanted a referendum on our EU membership. I would never have joined UKIP as it stands today, obsessed as it is with becoming a successor to the BNP and the EDL, and putting an increasingly hostile and vicious focus on attacking the Muslim community en masse.
I am very proud of my work with UKIP in the past, and all I have previously helped the party achieve. I have no regrets on that front whatsoever. However, the time has most definitely come to completely sever my connection to UKIP because, quite simply, it is no longer the party I joined, and it is not now one I want any part of.
I will continue to campaign in whatever capacity I can for the UK to make a clean break from the EU.
May certainly has authoritarian tendencies. She'd have been much better off trying to include Parliament from the start of the process, but she's fought them from the very beginning, deception and delays. At the very least, she could have spread the blame if the deal wasn't to everybody's liking. Now it hangs round her neck like one of those enormous necklaces she's so fond of wearing.
The one good thing about our First Past The Post electoral system is that it prevents fascist nutcases from gaining many, if any seats.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
So was the first referendum. And the Maastricht betrayal worse than both of them
StephenH
David Ginola
But two wrongs don’t make a cream sponge.
It was like allowing the cleaners of the Dreamliner at the airport decide whos going to fly the bloody thing.
They would be clueless as were the voters with Brexit. They would go for the blond geezer in firsts class because they’ve seen him on telly, so he must know what he’s doing!
wiziwig
Steed Malbranque
It's not nonsense, it's a draft that can be found on the UN web site and although it's not a legally binding document under international law, it's a precursor to one.
Here's a PDF link for your perusal.
https://refugeesmigrants.un.org/sites/default/files/180711_final_draft_0.pdf
The UN's agenda is clearly for open borders and to take away any resistance by democratically elected government and their right to self determination. They want these governments to clamp down on any resistance be it in media or from within their populations. The draft does not even want persons and organisations to be allowed to call some forms of migration, "illegal economic migration" even if it is and it will be deemed a hate crime to do so. In fact, posts such as this will be deemed illegal!
The UN draft wants governments to set up global identical specialist administrations to deal with what they see as an ever increasing inflow into nations, in otherwards, to take away the sovereign right of national government to deal with their own illegal immigration, in their own way - Hungary's government is a good example. They want illegal immigrants to be aided on arrival with sheltered accommodation, mobile phones, money, bank accounts and the rest.
Migration to any country of one's choosing, is not a human right and should never supersede the right of refusal.
With regards to the rest of your post...I stand by my claim that the vast majority of the MPs in Parliament are cultural marxists. Conservative MPs by enlarge are self-serving and lily-livered, Kowtowing to cultural marxism. The main opposition are cultural marxists as they hate the idea of the UK being viewed as white so are seeking fast demographic change.. Non white immigration is votes for them, leading to their bigger government and higher taxes, more power to them.. Both Labour and the SNP under Corbyn and Sturgeon respectively, are marxist.
Also, I've seen on other postings of yours, that you call yourself centrist, you do this because it makes you feel good as you're also telling yourself that you're tolerant and morally superior. Calling yourself centrist does not make you one, even more so as you also call yourself a Blairite. Tony Blair helped instigate the mass murder and maiming of millions and in my book, that hardly makes him centrist.
Tin foil hat at the ready? Maybe, but some say, that as PM, Blair was our very own Putin...
John Smiths death convenient.
Robin Cook death convenient.
Dr John Kelly's death convenient.
Jill Dando's death convenient.
Finally, making friends.. You've insinuated racism on my part and that's twice now that you've openly encouraged Glory Glory's very own Weyman Bennett nut-job, by giving him likes to his posts smearing me. Coming from you, some who thinks it's funny to use racial slurs is laughable...
post #13626
http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/community/threads/politics-politics-politics.6328/page-682#post-1033447
My father is greek, not from Palmers Green but he is greek...
wiziwig
Steed Malbranque
Like you, my eldest brother married a black woman (Guyanese) and had a daughter with her too so for years, he also had to survive as a white minority in his household too..
Like you, he CHOSE that situation to be in...
Show me where and when, the English CHOSE to be a minority in their own capital.
Like you, my eldest brother married a black woman (Guyanese) and had a daughter with her too so for years, he also had to survive as a white minority in his household too..
Like you, he CHOSE that situation to be in...
Show me where and when, the English CHOSE to be a minority in their own capital.
What difference does it make to you if your neighbours are of a different race or nationality? Or the guy who drives the train, picks the fruit, packs the amazon parcel? I personally couldn't care less if the person is white and English or black and Portuguese or whatever. I don't really see what difference it makes. Nobody is forcing me to go a mosque or wear a weave. If I want to, I suppose I can. But I don't have to.
The problems in the UK are that there are poor areas. They generate crime and often, there are foreigners or people of foreign descent living in those areas, so people attribute the crime to the race/nationality. But if you look at poorer places with lots of white people, you see the same for drugs and crime (think about rough council estates in Scotland for example, or trailer parks in the American South). So yeah, I don't really care if I'm a minority in my own country, should my daughter grow up and not be classed as British because she isn't a "pure bred" national? Who gives a sh1t? The country is whatever it is, there's always been different people "coming over here" and there always will be, unless we become a pure sh1thole of a country where nobody wants to come anymore.