Politics, politics, politics

[Danishfurniturelover]

If you accept the government figures on unemployment, it is at very low levels. Now, not all unemployed are "work-shy scum" not even the most ardent right-winger believes that. So with very low levels of unemployment, coupled with only a fraction of those unemployed actually being "workshy scum", how then would these people assume the roles that migrant labour has been doing?

It's just nonsense to suggest that there is this army of idle people ready to fill vacancies in care work or whatever else.

Most people who get some kind of benefit are in work already.

Never had a problem with low paid workers getting council tax relief or tax credits top ups, if they are working but I have to disagree with you I have met plenty who dont work and dont want to work. I am very liberal in many ways but when it comes to work (and crime funny enough) I am very much to the right. Now @Gutter Boy is actually my favourite poster on this site but I am the complete opposite to him when it comes to work. I understand the reasons behind his thinking a 4 day working week is a good thing.

But it is central to everything I believe in that a person should work and actually work long hours, particularly when young, as I said I think it is character building, it is about more then just working and earning money, it teaches you so much more about life, it really is good for the soul. As I have said many times on here over the years I am very good friends with a Latvian guy, I know several east europeans, they are all stand up guys and bloody hard workers and stand up guys. Would rather work with them and spend time with them then some of the work shy scum I come across.

 

[the dza]

Food tokens at supermarkets or take them into care. Actually and you might think im joking here but I am not, it is about time we had a public political conversation about what sort of people can have children. They stop through medical means some mentally disabled people reproducing. The is an argument to be said it should be extended to others. It would need to be done humanly and thought through properly but it is something we should think about.

You are phucking mental.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Food tokens are used in the US taking them into care (perhaps work houses?) would cost you more so is not a solution ..

What sort of people can reproduce ? Careful with giving government the right for forced sterilisation . Even if we don't go to the obvious the UK and our satellites don't have a very positive track record

Well if food tokens are done correctly so a certain amount are used for vegetables instead of the chicken nuggets and baked beans they eat while sitting on their sofas watching eastenders, then at least you know they were getting some proper food and not as likely to get ill putting more strain on the NHS, a win win.

Taking them into care might cost more money...maybe but some things cost money and you do not always see the benefits but the would be benefits. Not sure about work houses. But I did read in the North east they have started up budget austerity private schools which are popular with people up there, understandably. So maybe a cross between bordering school and a military school would be my preferred option.

As for forced sterilisation, well I am serious and I think it is something as a society we should talk about but probably never will. I always thought Euthanasia was a decent and kind thing to do. Sterilisation is actually a kind thing to do for some rather then let them reproduce just so that they can grow that baby into a child to take on their shoplifting trips before back to watch Jeremy Kyle with a bag of pringles.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

You are phucking mental.

I have been told this before but can not tell whether your saying this complimentary or not. Remember I am a fellow Corbyn fan, in fact I would say what I like about him is his radical and progressive views. But though I am not sure about privatising the railways I would be prepared to look the other way and go for it if just a few of my ideas were implemented. But alas I am not getting any replies from my many letters and emails.

 

[r-u-s-x]

Well if food tokens are done correctly so a certain amount are used for vegetables instead of the chicken nuggets and baked beans they eat while sitting on their sofas watching eastenders, then at least you know they were getting some proper food and not as likely to get ill putting more strain on the NHS, a win win.

Taking them into care might cost more money...maybe but some things cost money and you do not always see the benefits but the would be benefits. Not sure about work houses. But I did read in the North east they have started up budget austerity private schools which are popular with people up there, understandably. So maybe a cross between bordering school and a military school would be my preferred option.

As for forced sterilisation, well I am serious and I think it is something as a society we should talk about but probably never will. I always thought Euthanasia was a decent and kind thing to do. Sterilisation is actually a kind thing to do for some rather then let them reproduce just so that they can grow that baby into a child to take on their shoplifting trips before back to watch Jeremy Kyle with a bag of pringles.

Are we exceptional or point to a comparable food stamp system that's worked .. It's been tried it doesn't.

You would trust our politicians to decide who to sterilise you decided politicians know best?

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

[QUOTE="r-u-s-x, post: 1116549, member: 192"

Either work for full employment or support those spit out of the system or just don't give a brick and see which one is better overall.... I would prefer to pay a bit more in order not to have to see a chav dying on the street (or more likely stabbing someone for a few quid) myself[/QUOTE]

I would not mind paying a bit more for the NHS or more roads, we need more motorways and bypasses. They are of use, but if a chav is dying in the street I am guessing it would be in a street in one of those crap towns, you know they have them all over the country. Down south hastings and bexhill are actually worse then you would imagine, in Brighton we have an area called Whitehawk which is as rough as sandpaper.

 

[the dza]

I have been told this before but can not tell whether your saying this complimentary or not. Remember I am a fellow Corbyn fan, in fact I would say what I like about him is his radical and progressive views. But though I am not sure about privatising the railways I would be prepared to look the other way and go for it if just a few of my ideas were implemented. But alas I am not getting any replies from my many letters and emails.

Custard and swingers mental, that's fine.

Eugenics and putting more kids into care mental -- not so much. It's all been done before to people considered "lesser." The yanks were very big on it, but then it went out of fashion when the Nazis got involved. Not for me, Clive.

 

[r-u-s-x]

[QUOTE="r-u-s-x, post: 1116549, member: 192"

Either work for full employment or support those spit out of the system or just don't give a brick and see which one is better overall.... I would prefer to pay a bit more in order not to have to see a chav dying on the street (or more likely stabbing someone for a few quid) myself

I would not mind paying a bit more for the NHS or more roads, we need more motorways and bypasses. They are of use, but if a chav is dying in the street I am guessing it would be in a street in one of those crap towns, you know they have them all over the country. Down south hastings and bexhill are actually worse then you would imagine, in Brighton we have an area called Whitehawk which is as rough as sandpaper.[/QUOTE]
You seen a guy desperate, would rather pay an extra 10% than hordes of starving Chavs on the streets where my kids are .. Sometimes the right option is also the cheap option

 

[r-u-s-x]

Leave it there as I won't be convinced fascism the answer

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Are we exceptional or point to a comparable food stamp system that's worked .. It's been tried it doesn't.

You would trust our politicians to decide who to sterilise you decided politicians know best?

So food stamps have not worked as of yet so we should not try them? but it is you saying they are not working. If the stamps provide enough food for people to live on I am pretty sure they work. But people who are against the idea before it has even been tried are likely to say it does not work anyway, because well everyone does that to retrench their position. You can eat healthily for £40 a week easily from a supermarket.

Trust politicians to decide who to sterilise, hell no. But like with Euthanasia doctors would be involved. We could also get academics involved, see what the likely hood is of someone who has never worked and wears tracksuits of producing a child who will become a doctor or a dustman.

The are notorious families in all towns and areas in the countries. Council elections are notoriously poorly supported at the ballot box. Now if we were to add more options to the ballot box I think it would be a draw. Now it has never been done before but that is not to say it should not be done in the future, why the fear of innovation and trying something new?

How about we say at the next council elections, that local family of trouble makers A) Should we sterilise them yes
B) No let them keep sponging off the state.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Leave it there as I won't be convinced fascism the answer

I hate fascism also, I am voting for Corbyn. But we need to get the spirit of innovation and can do spirit back into the country we should not be afraid to try new things and look for new answers. Progressive radicalism is my new thing.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Custard and swingers mental, that's fine.

Eugenics and putting more kids into care mental -- not so much. It's all been done before to people considered "lesser." The yanks were very big on it, but then it went out of fashion when the Nazis got involved. Not for me, Clive.

But if it is not "care" if you just relabel it something else. It is proven that elite private schools kids get great results and more go to oxbridge. So lets give those kids who are destined for nothing the chance of a beautiful life, put them in a private state run boarding school, your giving them a chance of a great future.

 

[r-u-s-x]

I hate fascism also, I am voting for Corbyn. But we need to get the spirit of innovation and can do spirit back into the country we should not be afraid to try new things and look for new answers. Progressive radicalism is my new thing.

They are not new ideas- they are old ideas used by the fascist right and left.Khumur rouge, stalin and Mao had these ideas .. They are fascist not left or right. We did it in Australia its not new thinking and history always prove it evil.

 

[the dza]

I see that Ken Clarke has said he will vote for May's deal. That's quite interesting imo, he is the arch remainer in Parliament (he didn't vote for Article 50 to be triggered, probably the only Tory MP who didn't).

 

[glasgowspur]

Some of those “dregs” will have serious illnesses and thus be disabled.
What about those “dregs”?
Whose going to sort the dregs with mental problems?

And many, many others aren't.
He has already stated not the ill or disabled, not in those words granted.

It's not the younger generations fault, it's the way they were raised, I know plenty of people with similar views dfl (and me), but only for our peoples kids, not theirs, they're too good for that.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

They are not new ideas- they are old ideas used by the fascist right and left.Khumur rouge, stalin and Mao had these ideas .. They are fascist not left or right. We did it in Australia its not new thinking and history always prove it evil.

I never said left or right. I say progressive, we need to innovate. Do you think the wright brothers gave up when they could not get their first planes off the ground?

 

[Rorschach]

By withdrawing any financial assistance. If they can afford to live off of family or thin air good luck to them, otherwise they can starve for all I care. I do not include cancer or disabled people, i am talking about the absolute dregs of society.

Any other illness you'd like to include in that list?

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Any other illness you'd like to include in that list.

Loads and loads. Basically you have the deserving poor and disadvantaged and the undeserving.

The are plenty of people I could think of that I do not want to reproduce, it has to be done fairly and has to be well thought out. Consider this an ideas session, I think it could improve society no end. Just like I think national service would. But of course like all legislation it needs to be checked and debated.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Some of those “dregs” will have serious illnesses and thus be disabled.
What about those “dregs”?
Whose going to sort the dregs with mental problems?

I am clearly not talking about the disabled.

I am talking about people who have through out their lives shown themselves to always take the easy option(not working) who have indulged in criminal activity. I would prefer to live in a country where they can not reproduce just so their children can continue those issues. They are likely not going to go on to do worthwhile jobs and if we need trolley collectors at Tesco I am sure the are plenty of immigrants who would love to come here and do the job, they would then if my experience of the ones I have met are anything to go by, go off and get better jobs.

See this is when immigration is a good thing and will be needed.

 

[Rorschach]

Loads and loads. Basically you have the deserving poor and disadvantaged and the undeserving.

The are plenty of people I could think of that I do not want to reproduce, it has to be done fairly and has to be well thought out. Consider this an ideas session, I think it could improve society no end. Just like I think national service would. But of course like all legislation it needs to be checked and debated.

Whatever. You are going down a rabbit hole.