Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Asians and South Americans in shanty towns, rather than pigeon shouters outside Glasgow station?
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Asians and South Americans in shanty towns, rather than pigeon shouters outside Glasgow station?
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean.
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
I have to say that I have some difficulty reconciling your suggestion with my own personal experiences and observations.
You'll have to remind me what he did again. Did he some silly sh1t on twitter when he was a bit younger? I think there's some other stuff that I can't remember. In any case, take the whip from him and if he's found to have done some egregious sh1t, de-select him at the next GE and put up another candidate. As far as I know, this is what Labour have done.
milo
Jack L. Jones
It's not, imo, that people who used to have housing benefit going direct to the landlord would now party it up with the money. I think it's just that rent would take up a big chunk of a poorer persons income, so there's not much error for bad financial decisions. That money going direct to the landlord takes that out of the equation.
These "experts" just aren't being positive enough. I, for one, am confident that we will be drowning in chlorinated chicken and tortured pigs in no time.
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
I don't disagree. I wasn't suggesting that the former was the main issue, I think there are several reasons why it's a bad idea...but I guess most would all fall under the umbrella of 'bad financial decisions'.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Well worth a 0.1% increase in GDP and selling off the NHS for when it eventually comes.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
That the deserving poor are the faraway ones, whereas the ones you trip over outside train stations wouldn't make more of their lives with more opportunity? Imagine making poor people comfortable - what on earth would they get up to. The actual answer is probably buy more quinoa than special brew.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Been abusive to women and gay people, as recently as last year. He's also gone into hiding and hasn't done a day at his constituency or in parliament in 6 months. The Lib Dem opposition candidate is taking constituency surgery sessions to fill the void. https://www.libdemvoice.org/laura-gordon-steps-up-her-campaign-for-sheffield-hallam-56115.html
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
Is there poor out there who deserve society's help to get them on their feet and into a better way of life? Definitely.
Are there also people out there who will see this as an opportunity to splash the cash and then go back for more because they are destitute and need more. Yes.
And for those cases no amount of money is enough.
They will spend whatever you give them and more.
UBI all sounds great, but I've yet to see a serious study actually say it works or is affordable. The Reform Scotland study carried out here which reported to the SG said that IF everything went well there would be a £2billion shortfall a year. For a population the size of Scotland that's crippling.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
The idea is the payments are made monthly the same as salaries, so people shouldn't be in danger of spending their whole year's worth down a casino. Perhaps there's an argument that anyone who applies for more, gets their housing and food allowance ringfenced for a defined forward period
The problem with studies like the one you mention, is they still operate in a capitalist mindset. UBI is part of the bigger implementation of degrowth, where consumption is actively reduced. People are allowed to become time rich instead of things rich.
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
I don't see how paying monthly makes any difference. People who would blow the annual sum will blow the monthly sum.
If you blow it you don't get anymore is not going to work is it, are we really going to standby and watch as some poor child starve because their parents blew their money and the child' on holiday to Florida or a 60" UHD 3d tv and sound system?
Capitalism is not going away any time soon. In fact it's a capitalist world so any report that doesn't have a capitalist mindset is toilet paper.
The biggest recurring argument for UBI is robots stealing our jobs, robots that produce more and for cheaper than humans would. No degrowth there.
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
It's not so much "lack of clarity over Brexit" as "Brexit", really.
Well, I hope the local CLP will put forward a different candidate come the next election. As it stands, he's not a Labour MP (had the whip removed) and is suspended from the Labour party pending the outcome of an investigation (which seems like it should be straightforward enough). As you know, the party can't do a lot more than that because nobody can sack an MP, only take the party's whip away. The next General Election should take care of the rest.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
So the constituency has no MP for 4.5 years?
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
Not much of one.
He'd need to fiddle his expenses, be sent down, or fall foul of the Parliamentary Committee on Standards (be on the take) in order for a recall referendum to be triggered, though, however annoyed his constituents are.