Politics, politics, politics

[scaramanga]

Nicer carpets in private hospitals. Often same Consultants who work for both NHS and private. The big difference is waiting times. But not all of the NHS has long waits. Things like hip replacements are so common there are long waits.


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And private rooms - don't forget that. Making people share rooms is simply inhumane.

 

[SpurMeUp]

And private rooms - don't forget that. Making people share rooms is simply inhumane.

What about a Carry-On like sense of comrade on the ward!?

I’ve spent a year with my father in and out of hospitals. A&E, wards, private rooms, 5 different hospitals. Levels of care vary within the NHS, but most of the time it’s of a high standard. Consultants have limited time and you are ‘processed’ more than cared for sometimes. But if you’re on it yourself - focused on what you want - the NHS has huge facilities and know how, but not always lots of time.

By contrast private is not always so well equipped and resourced (hence them using nhs to deliver treatments often) but you get carpets, someone to plump up your pillows and more time from carers.

You do get private rooms in the NHS too. Next time try shouting 24hours a day and they’ll pop you in a private room...but may diagnose you with dementia [emoji23]


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[scaramanga]

What about a Carry-On like sense of comrade on the ward!?

I’ve spent a year with my father in and out of hospitals. A&E, wards, private rooms, 5 different hospitals. Levels of care vary within the NHS, but most of the time it’s of a high standard. Consultants have limited time and you are ‘processed’ more than cared for sometimes. But if you’re on it yourself - focused on what you want - the NHS has huge facilities and know how, but not always lots of time.

By contrast private is not always so well equipped and resourced (hence them using nhs to deliver treatments often) but you get carpets, someone to plump up your pillows and more time from carers.

You do get private rooms in the NHS too. Next time try shouting 24hours a day and they’ll pop you in a private room...but may diagnose you with dementia [emoji23]


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Shouting? I was in a room with someone bricking himself 24 hours a day and they didn't move him out.

And how can an organisation with the size and budget of the NHS have neither Sky Sports nor HD tvs? Let alone some kind of decent on demand service or a sufficient internet connection for streaming. It would have been cheaper to pay for private care than to pay for my data charges.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Shouting? I was in a room with someone bricking himself 24 hours a day and they didn't move him out.

And how can an organisation with the size and budget of the NHS have neither Sky Sports nor HD tvs? Let alone some kind of decent on demand service or a sufficient internet connection for streaming. It would have been cheaper to pay for private care than to pay for my data charges.

There is a lot that could be done. What makes private feel different is the added value, the nice fittings, carpet, reception etc. The NHS could do something with new tech and patient comfort - fast internet - but integrate care info too like the patients care plan, meds, auto access to a forum with others who have same thing etc into it....something imaginative. Also with staff, government could make being a nurse (and teacher etc) special. Could give them free benefits like half price public transport, low cost mortgages etc in short make being a public servant have some cachet again.

 

[scaramanga]

There is a lot that could be done. What makes private feel different is the added value, the nice fittings, carpet, reception etc. The NHS could do something with new tech and patient comfort - fast internet - but integrate care info too like the patients care plan, meds, auto access to a forum with others who have same thing etc into it....something imaginative. Also with staff, government could make being a nurse (and teacher etc) special. Could give them free benefits like half price public transport, low cost mortgages etc in short make being a public servant have some cachet again.

I can't see how they'll get single rooms sorted though. Our local NHS hospital is fudging massive and there were about 6 or 8 to a ward when I was in there (admittedly around 6 years ago now). When my son was born we'd have been in a room with at least 4 other families if I hadn't paid for a private room.

The space simply isn't there, but until people have the dignity of their own room, how can the NHS be anything other than cattle herding?

 

[SpurMeUp]

I can't see how they'll get single rooms sorted though. Our local NHS hospital is fudging massive and there were about 6 or 8 to a ward when I was in there (admittedly around 6 years ago now). When my son was born we'd have been in a room with at least 4 other families if I hadn't paid for a private room.

The space simply isn't there, but until people have the dignity of their own room, how can the NHS be anything other than cattle herding?

That is the way it has always been. A private room can be isolating too. Not so easy to keep an eye on everyone and elderly people especially can get forgotten in a private room. But not easy to rest on a ward I guess. I don't know the answer, but humans are social animals well used to sharing spaces with others.

 

[Gutter Boy]

That is the way it has always been. A private room can be isolating too. Not so easy to keep an eye on everyone and elderly people especially can get forgotten in a private room. But not easy to rest on a ward I guess. I don't know the answer, but humans are social animals well used to sharing spaces with others.

Not when they are full of disease and infections though. The last thing you want to be around in hospital, when your immunity may be low, is sick people.

 

[the dza]

Some of you might like this, I thought it was pretty good.

 

[the dza]

An interesting development. I wonder if The Mail will label him as a traitor?

https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-farage-we-should-have-a-second-referendum-on-brexit-11203281

(video if you click the link)

Nigel Farage has suggested that more people would opt for Brexit in another referendum, blocking "whingeing" Remain voices.


The former UKIP leader tweeted: "Maybe, just maybe, we should have a second referendum on EU membership. It would kill off the issue for a generation once and for all."

It followed comments he made on television talk show The Wright Stuff.

 

[the dza]

Though I reckon Farage just fears his relevance (and the money that goes with it) running out, hasn't he got an expensive divorce to pay for? Maybe he doesn't really want to leave, what's he gonna fight against otherwise?

 

[Gutter Boy]

What do people make of all the plastic plans?

I like the noises being made/attention being drawn to the problem, but the initiatives and targets are pretty pathetic.

Personally I would simply ban all non-bio-degradable food packaging, with one year's notice. Good quality plant-based packaging alternatives all exist - places like Glastonbury have had a no plastics (and no glass, but that's for safety reasons) rule for all its caterers for years.

 

[the dza]

What do people make of all the plastic plans?

I like the noises being made/attention being drawn to the problem, but the initiatives and targets are pretty pathetic.

Personally I would simply ban all non-bio-degradable food packaging, with one year's notice. Good quality plant-based packaging alternatives all exist - places like Glastonbury have had a no plastics (and no glass, but that's for safety reasons) rule for all its caterers for years.

I'm not very knowledgable on the environmental issues (or much else, but even less when it comes to the environment!). I think anything we do to reduce pollution and protect the environment is a good thing, but I can't help thinking how much difference does it really make when countries the size of China and America make so much pollution. It seems like no mater how clean we are as an individual country, the world at large will still be a polluted sh1thole while those kind of countries keep doing what they do. Then again, maybe they are changing their ways too?

I tell you one thing; if caring about people was as big a vote winner as caring about animals, this country would be a much nicer place to live for the poor and disabled.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Obviously plastics to some extent float round the oceans' currents forever, but I think taking responsibility for your landmass and airspace will make a big difference. We all know there are better places in the world to live because of their environmental policies (Scandinavia, New Zealand, Canada, Uruguay).

Places like China and India are on a journey to where we are now - they have to industrialise before they can post-industrialise. But they aren't stupid and the public pressure will come so enough in those countries too. America less so, but what can you do - build a wall around it?

If nothing else just leading by example, like we do on human rights etc., is a good start.

 

[the dza]

Re. Farage, maybe he's just trolling everyone about wanting a 2nd referendum? It was unexpected anyway.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re. Farage, maybe he's just trolling everyone about wanting a 2nd referendum? It was unexpected anyway.

His speaking tour fees and invites for media appearance have been dropping of late is all I think

I've been a staunch leaver since Maastricht, but that guy is an absolute cretin.

 

[r-u-s-x]

re Plastic should be reusing packaging rather than recycling - basically a few suitable sizes / shapes that every supplier has to use, if they are not they have to prove a reason why they cant use the standard re-usable packaging - you can stick your logo on it however you like (biodegradable and easy to remove).

A lot less waste and energy in reusing rather than recycling.

 

[Gutter Boy]

re Plastic should be reusing packaging rather than recycling - basically a few suitable sizes / shapes that every supplier has to use, if they are not they have to prove a reason why they cant use the standard re-usable packaging - you can stick your logo on it however you like (biodegradable and easy to remove).

A lot less waste and energy in reusing rather than recycling.

But why create the nasty stuff in the first place? Of course using it 3 or 4 times is better than once, but it will still float around the seas, get eaten by fish and end up in the food chain.

Just use biodegradable packaging instead. You can get really sturdy containers, plates, cups etc. now that are fully compostable.

It all exists, the only thing stopping it is the oil lobby and their influence over government.

 

[r-u-s-x]

But why create the nasty stuff in the first place? Of course using it 3 or 4 times is better than once, but it will still float around the seas, get eaten by fish and end up in the food chain.

Just use biodegradable packaging instead. You can get really sturdy containers, plates, cups etc. now that are fully compostable.

It all exists, the only thing stopping it is the oil lobby and their influence over government.

not arguing this point I was saying packaging should be reusable not necessarily plastic.

 

[monkeybarry]

Though I reckon Farage just fears his relevance (and the money that goes with it) running out, hasn't he got an expensive divorce to pay for? Maybe he doesn't really want to leave, what's he gonna fight against otherwise?

He is a two bit Boris.
He angled for a political career by leading the anti EU charge and expected to be a major player.
I think he knows a second referendum will result in a Remain vote, which makes him relevant again and possibly even electable to Parliament.

 

[scaramanga]

What do people make of all the plastic plans?

I like the noises being made/attention being drawn to the problem, but the initiatives and targets are pretty pathetic.

Personally I would simply ban all non-bio-degradable food packaging, with one year's notice. Good quality plant-based packaging alternatives all exist - places like Glastonbury have had a no plastics (and no glass, but that's for safety reasons) rule for all its caterers for years.

I think if that's where we are on the priority list, brick must be rosy.