Politics, politics, politics

[monkeybarry]

At the risk of sounding like an old fart barking at a bus stop, I don't think that currently people in this country have the work ethic to become nurses.

It'll take a generation of change before people will regain that need to work hard to earn their money.

I agree with you in a way.
My view is that the reasons and opportunities do not exist to incintivise really hard work - you can work averagely and enjoy life and travel but never be able to buy a house and raise kids or you can work harder but still retain a bit of work life balance and still not be able to achieve those things.

So why bother.

Add to that the country has not adapted to rise in consumer need for ever evolving technology (15-20 years ago people didn't need to pay for broadband and phone contracts as essentials) and the even less disposable Income is available. The last ten years has seen inflation (esp in public service) outstrip wages, so again, why bother busting your ass?

 

[scaramanga]

Who is talking about pay or pay rises? We're talking about some help for those studying to do an essential job where they don't get paid all that much anyway.

That's still pay in some way or another, it's still money from the taxpayer.

If there are others already trained, or willing to train without the bursaries then it's negligent of the government to spend my money that way.

 

[the dza]

That's still pay in some way or another, it's still money from the taxpayer.

If there are others already trained, or willing to train without the bursaries then it's negligent of the government to spend my money that way.

As I said, they find money to cling on to power with the DUP bribe and they find it for their latest U-Turns in policy -- so it's not a question of negligence, it's a question of priorities. In this case, the government tell student nurses to go phuck themselves, as they don't assist Theresa May in keeping her job as Prime Minister.

 

[scaramanga]

As I said, they find money to cling on to power with the DUP bribe and they find it for their latest U-Turns in policy -- so it's not a question of negligence, it's a question of priorities. In this case, the government tell student nurses to go phuck themselves, as they don't assist Theresa May in keeping her job as Prime Minister.

They shouldn't be paying money to the DUP - I've already agreed with you on that. As for reductions in tax - that's the job of any sensible government.

I think I might not have been clear - I'm arguing for conservative (small c) principles, not for the Conservative party - they're a fudging shambles.

 

[r-u-s-x]

Nobody should be punished, they just shouldn't be paid more than someone else is willing and able to do their job for.

Not a fan of the efficiency wage theory ?

 

[the dza]

They shouldn't be paying money to the DUP - I've already agreed with you on that. As for reductions in tax - that's the job of any sensible government.

I think I might not have been clear - I'm arguing for conservative (small c) principles, not for the Conservative party - they're a fudging shambles.

That's fair enough, even though I would prefer to see things done a different way.

But in light of how this government do currently spend money I don't think it's too much to ask for this government to put back in place the bursaries for student nurses.

 

[r-u-s-x]

I know its only a small issue but I think this sums this guy up:

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...gs-ear-of-it-over-eu-animal-rules-say-farmers

 

[the dza]

I know its only a small issue but I think this sums this guy up:

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...gs-ear-of-it-over-eu-animal-rules-say-farmers

A politician distorting facts when it comes to the EU, I don't believe it for a second!

 

[scaramanga]

That's fair enough, even though I would prefer to see things done a different way.

But in light of how this government do currently spend money I don't think it's too much to ask for this government to put back in place the bursaries for student nurses.

I think you're being ambitious hoping for them to tie their own shoelaces.

 

[scaramanga]

Not a fan of the efficiency wage theory ?

I don't think it applies when the cost of staff turnover is so low (importing trained nurses). It has relevance if we're training internally and there's an up front cost to employment.

 

[the dza]

Just watching BBC news just now, with Laura Kuensberg interviewing Theresa May. I honestly don't know why May is staying in the job, she looks visibly uncomfortable, drowning in questions that she can't/won't answer honestly. I almost (almost) feel sorry for her.

She should quit now and let that tub of sh1t Johnson take the reins and all the hassle of Brexit along with it.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Probably because she think GHod told her to. I tell you if the were one thing I could change about politics it is how so many of them on all sides seem to think they were put their by GHod. Fcuking weirdos.

 

[parklane1]

Probably because she think GHod told her to. I tell you if the were one thing I could change about politics it is how so many of them on all sides seem to think they were put their by GHod. Fcuking weirdos.

Just like the warmonger Blair did with his decision to go into a illegal war with his handler Bush.

 

[the dza]

Read this earlier:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ns-retire-brexit-secretary-uk-leaves-eu-2019/

David Davis plans to retire in 2019 and leave Boris Johnson to steer the UK through the transitional period, The Telegraph can reveal.

The Brexit secretary told friends that Michel Barnier, the EU's chief negotiator, "needs this to work more than I do" because he plans to step aside in June 2019 whereas Mr Barnier will still be in post.


Mr Davis believes Brexit will be his "last big job", friends told this newspaper.


Doesn't fancy hanging about to see the results of his negotiations? And wants to leave that honour to Johnson? Hmm.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Read this earlier:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ns-retire-brexit-secretary-uk-leaves-eu-2019/

David Davis plans to retire in 2019 and leave Boris Johnson to steer the UK through the transitional period, The Telegraph can reveal.

The Brexit secretary told friends that Michel Barnier, the EU's chief negotiator, "needs this to work more than I do" because he plans to step aside in June 2019 whereas Mr Barnier will still be in post.


Mr Davis believes Brexit will be his "last big job", friends told this newspaper.


Doesn't fancy hanging about to see the results of his negotiations? And wants to leave that honour to Johnson? Hmm.

Makes sense. He'll be 70 and will have achieved his life's ambition. Put his feet up on the back benches then for the final few years of the parliament.

 

[the dza]

I see Johnson faces new calls to be sacked by some Tory backbenchers, after his remarks over Libya.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ion-if-it-clears-the-dead-bodies-says-johnson

Speaking about the potential of Sirte, the Libyan city where Muammar Gaddafi was killed, Johnson drew gasps and embarrassed laughter from the audience as he said: “There’s a group of UK business people, wonderful guys who want to invest in Sirte, on the coast, near where Gaddafi was actually captured and executed as some of you may have seen.


“And they literally have a brilliant vision to turn Sirte, with the help of the municipality of Sirte, to turn it into the next Dubai.


“The only thing they’ve got to do is clear the dead bodies away and then they’ll be there.”


Heidi Allen was the first Tory MP to call for Johnson to lose his cabinet job over the Libya remarks.


She said late on Tuesday that it was “100% unacceptable from anyone, let alone the foreign secretary”, adding: “Boris must be sacked for this. He does not represent my party.”


Her Conservative colleague Sarah Wollaston MP joined in the criticism of Johnson adding: “Demeaning jokes about real people murdered in Libya would be crass even from a stand-up; appalled to hear this from our foreign secretary.”


On Wednesday Wollaston said on the BBC’s Today Programme that Johnson’s remarks were “crass, poorly judged and grossly insensitive” and said that he should apologise and “consider his position”.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

If he is not going to get sacked for openly challenging May he is not getting sacked for this.

At this point Im pretty sure he could take a brick on the Downing street pavement and fling it at the door and he wouldnt be sacked, they would just come out with the "Its just Boris being Boris..." line that seems to explain away anything.

Ill be damned if I understand it at all. Its not like he is an obvious leader, master tactician or leader elect. Hes a selfish buffoon, thats it.

 

[DTA]

Read this earlier:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ns-retire-brexit-secretary-uk-leaves-eu-2019/

David Davis plans to retire in 2019 and leave Boris Johnson to steer the UK through the transitional period, The Telegraph can reveal.

The Brexit secretary told friends that Michel Barnier, the EU's chief negotiator, "needs this to work more than I do" because he plans to step aside in June 2019 whereas Mr Barnier will still be in post.


Mr Davis believes Brexit will be his "last big job", friends told this newspaper.


Doesn't fancy hanging about to see the results of his negotiations? And wants to leave that honour to Johnson? Hmm.

Should be held accountable. The thing I really dislike about politics is is the lack of accountability.

 

[r-u-s-x]

more front than Margate

"May says she wants to make a difference for people whose voices are not heard.
Like the families of the 96 people killed at Hillsborough. Or the victims and survivors of sexual abuse."

fudging hell she is tone deaf.

 

[the dza]

Should be held accountable. The thing I really dislike about politics is is the lack of accountability.

I think @nayimfromthehalfwayline post above nails why Johnson can say and do as he pleases right now. May has no real power, a weird thing to say about a PM, I know.