That doesn't make them right.
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BREXIT all things to all people
I don't think that's the case.
Having the ability to set and create our own rules and regulations was right at the top of the list from the leave campaign.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
All possibilities, other than rule by the European Commission.
That's what sovereignty is. The freedom to choose - socialism, neo-liberalism or something completely different
milo
Jack L. Jones
We will need to continue to meet them to get any worthwhile transition agreement. If our future relationship with the EU involves EEA membership or a comprehensive FTA then we are likely to have to continue to be aligned with EU employment standards.
The sensible approach is to change as little as possible now to keep our options open.
milo
Jack L. Jones
No it wasn't. The leave campaign categorically stated that employment rights wouldn't change. Anyone arguing that they were lying and that eroding rights was exactly what the Tory right wanted to do was part of "project fear".
milo
Jack L. Jones
That's a relief, we can stay then. We're not ruled by the European Commission now.
I was promised we wouldn't lose any workers rights and this would be an efficient way to achieve that.
Then again loads of promises chucked around by different people but I chose to focus on the ones that I liked while ignoring all others.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
CETA commits the EU and Canada to ILO standards, not EU ones
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
The EU's First Railway Directive requires the opening up national freight and passenger markets to cross-border competition and “separating [of] the management of railway operation and infrastructure from the provision of railway transport services, separation of accounts being compulsory and organizational or institutional separation being optional.”
That's the European Commission banning one of Labour's headline manifesto pledges.
But other countries in the EU have government run railways, so I don't see how they could stop us from doing the same. Same for energy and other utilities.
It doesn't matter what level we set worker's rights at now, it's important that we are able to alter them as and when suits the country as a whole.
Neither the EU nor Keir Starmer's list of demands would allow us to do that.
See my post above - it's about having the freedom to adjust those laws as and when required.
Transition maybe. I'd be very surprised if every country that commits to a trade deal with the EU does so by incorporating EU Labour laws into their own.
IIRC Labour want current protections brought over in Primary Legislation, so that if things are to be changed in future, then the changes get voted on in Parliament. So "we" are able to alter worker protections but, quite rightly, Labour don't want to give this Tory government the ability to change them without going through Parliament first.
I might have that wrong, but that's my understanding. Barry Gardiner has talked quite a lot about it.
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My interpretation if what Keir Starmer is asking for is a tie between EU and UK worker's rights. That we would tie the two together as a part of the repeal bill. Essentially giving us the pain of EU membership without any of the benefits.
Just in case anyone thinks I'm some old nutjob barking at the moon about taxation, here's a very interesting example of why our tax system is so fudged and why we cannot bear an increase:
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/...nt-much-wealthier-than-a-minimum-wage-family/
It's also worth mentioning that another unintended consequence of this is that I can no longer get anyone to work overtime in my factories except as a favour. Why would anyone bother working extra hours when the government will pay them 60% of any extra earnings to go home and sit on their arses?
The whole concept of work hard, earn more has been destroyed. The differential earnings between £100k and around £112k are virtually non-existent too - the nudge unit has clearly gone to sleep.
Repeatedly editedfir typos, I've had a couple.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/...nt-much-wealthier-than-a-minimum-wage-family/
It's also worth mentioning that another unintended consequence of this is that I can no longer get anyone to work overtime in my factories except as a favour. Why would anyone bother working extra hours when the government will pay them 60% of any extra earnings to go home and sit on their arses?
The whole concept of work hard, earn more has been destroyed. The differential earnings between £100k and around £112k are virtually non-existent too - the nudge unit has clearly gone to sleep.
Repeatedly editedfir typos, I've had a couple.
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milo
Jack L. Jones
We will need a closer relationship than that in the short term and possibly longer.
milo
Jack L. Jones
We are looking for a far deeper deal than any other country has and will need it to cover services. The closer the arrangement the more closely we will need to be aligned with the EU. The greater the regulatory divergence, the harder a comprehensive deal will be to achieve.
In the short term, as neither we nor the EU have enough time to make the structural changes to support us being outside the EEA and Customs Union, we will need to remain aligned.
I would disagree with employee rights being downgraded but would have less arguments if a future government did this through parliament after setting out their reasons, rather than it being done by the executive without proper scrutiny.
milo
Jack L. Jones
It is a well established principle of our democracy that one government cannot tie the hands of another. He can fight to safeguard rights now but that does not stop a future government changing this.
Any future changes would potentially impact on any agreements that we have with the EU though but that is something that could be considered at the time when the facts are known.