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Grays_1890 said:
Maybe already mentioned but I can't trawl pages of stuff to see.

How is it democratic for the DUP to strike a deal on a Vote share: 0.91% Vote total: 292,316 Seats: 10? I fail to see where this works? I also fear the IRA on this now, we are in bed with their total enemies, this is gonna be a mess
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That's what happens when first past the post doesn't produce a winner, or in proportional representation systems. The third (or other minority) become the kingmaker. It's why the Lib Dems have always been so desperate for PR - so they'd become all powerful (although now that would be the SNP).

Maybe Sinn Fein could offer to match the DUP's confidence and supply deal? Vote with the Tories on Brexit, the economy and security, in return for investment funding in Northern Ireland. That would preserve the sectarian neutrality. I know it's unthinkable.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Maybe Sinn Fein could offer to match the DUP's confidence and supply deal? Vote with the Tories on Brexit, the economy and security, in return for investment funding in Northern Ireland. That would preserve the sectarian neutrality. I know it's unthinkable.
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Maybe Labour could in return for more investment in NHS... just as likely.
 
Grays_1890 said:
But if DUP pull out dont we go back to the polls, having that power on 300,000 votes seems mental.

Also the fact they are backed for a terrorist organisation who killed someone weeks ago is pretty mental
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The DUP won't want another election now. Corbyn (friend of Sinn Fein) would win. They will drive some sort of a bargain over funding for NI, but they can't walk away and lose their big opportunity.

Remember that dirt shows clearest in the light. The public scrutiny of their old testament beliefs and the responsibilities of government might moderate them. To some extent that already happened when they took over Stormont governance from the UUP.
 
Gutter Boy said:
That's what happens when first past the post doesn't produce a winner, or in proportional representation systems. The third (or other minority) become the kingmaker. It's why the Lib Dems have always been so desperate for PR - so they'd become all powerful (although now that would be the SNP).

Maybe Sinn Fein could offer to match the DUP's confidence and supply deal? Vote with the Tories on Brexit, the economy and security, in return for investment funding in Northern Ireland. That would preserve the sectarian neutrality. I know it's unthinkable.
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It really would be fun if the SF could find away around their self imposed ban and offer themselves as partners.
Opens up all sorts of possibilities.
 
Gutter Boy said:
There seems little difference between Corbyn's vision for Brexit and the government's. IIRC the only two points they were forceful about in terms of the 12 point white paper were guaranteeing EU citizens rights here unilaterally, and guaranteeing workers' rights at current standards.

Corbyn said on Andrew Marr yesterday that we'd leave the Common Market under him. He's as strong a Brexiteer at heart as any of the Tories - like them he's been an ideological opponent of the EU since at least Maastricht.
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Got to admit I'm a little confused at first glance by the media interpretation of Brexit today; they all seem convinced that a softening is now inevitable. Yet, as you say, the two main parties were more than in the same ballpark on this, and secured a combined 80%+ vote share.

When both main parties were agreed on leaving the single market, how is this suddenly becoming an issue?
 
Is politics out dated now, modern times, Iphone generation, travel to the world on super planes, cars that have blue tooth, everything progresses except government, government spending

In a modern world should our NHS, Police Force and Fire Service be worse than it was in previous years when the world moves forward in all areas we move back in what is a key one? Running a country?
 
Parklaner81 said:
Got to admit I'm a little confused at first glance by the media interpretation of Brexit today; they all seem convinced that a softening is now inevitable. Yet, as you say, the two main parties were more than in the same ballpark on this, and secured a combined 80%+ vote share.

When both main parties were agreed on leaving the single market, how is this suddenly becoming an issue?
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I don't get that either, Brexit was the manifesto point ridden like a pony to gain votes based on the referendum, revolution politics they said. Now the Tories and their no deal is better than a bad deal is out the window, they are securing their term and they don't care how much it looks like Election Fraud flimflam
 
r-u-s-x said:
Maybe Labour could in return for more investment in NHS... just as likely.
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I was thinking on election night that there might be a possibility that the numbers would give no other option than a National Government (Con-Lab coalition). It might even work - Tories run Brexit while Labour look after social policy.
 
Parklaner81 said:
Got to admit I'm a little confused at first glance by the media interpretation of Brexit today; they all seem convinced that a softening is now inevitable. Yet, as you say, the two main parties were more than in the same ballpark on this, and secured a combined 80%+ vote share.

When both main parties were agreed on leaving the single market, how is this suddenly becoming an issue?
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Because people struggle to separate out that the vote against May was about domestic policies and personality, not Europe.

It's also being led by all the usual remain suspects - Toynbee, Osborne, Heseltine and Soubry.

Corbyn categorically ruled out Single Market yesterday. His motives are different - he sees free movement as a way capitalists undercut and break workers, but ultimately he wants to stop the same thing as UKIP.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Railways won't exist in 15 years' time. Driverless pool cars will replace both privately-owner cars and public transport.
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Over time, the technology might go that way, but I think 15 years is a bit optimistic! Also, don't forget the freight that is transported by rail.
 
the dza said:
Over time, the technology might go that way, but I think 15 years is a bit optimistic! Also, don't forget the freight that is transported by rail.
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I was at a Mercedes place the other day and all their R&D energies are focused on this now. Uber have already made the first step. No one will own cars, you will just book journeys - like door-to-door public transport without the peasants, or taxis without the drivers. If you are the only one making a journey, a single seater that's in the area will turn up. If there are several of you, then an MPV. The need that ways is for only about 12% of the cars that are currently on the road.

Freight also won't be needed, as 3D printers will mean most things can be manufactured at home.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I was at a Mercedes place the other day and all their R&D energies are focused on this now. Uber have already made the first step. No one will own cars, you will just book journeys - like door-to-door public transport without the peasants, or taxis without the drivers. If you are the only one making a journey, a single seater that's in the area will turn up. If there are several of you, then an MPV. The need that ways is for only about 12% of the cars that are currently on the road.

Freight also won't be needed, as 3D printers will mean most things can be manufactured at home.
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Does all this happen with the 170 seat majority the Tories now have? Or is that another exclusive to planet Gutter Boy?
 
Gutter Boy said:
I was at a Mercedes place the other day and all their R&D energies are focused on this now. Uber have already made the first step. No one will own cars, you will just book journeys - like door-to-door public transport without the peasants, or taxis without the drivers. If you are the only one making a journey, a single seater that's in the area will turn up. If there are several of you, then an MPV. The need that ways is for only about 12% of the cars that are currently on the road.

Freight also won't be needed, as 3D printers will mean most things can be manufactured at home.
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In 5 years?

I agree its coming but in 5 years? Not sure.
 
I know nobody cares about this kind of thing, but according to Labour MP Richard Burgon, Labour have added 150,000 members since the election, taking the total to 800,000. IIRC, at the lowest sub rate, that's £1.6m per month going to the Labour Party and a lot of potential volunteers come election time.
 
Grays_1890 said:
In 5 years?

I agree its coming but in 5 years? Not sure.
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I said 15 years. Maybe sooner.

15 years ago the internet was new and cars still had wind windows and used 4* petrol

There's not much missing at the moment. The smart technology is there. The driverless technology is very close.

Like most technology at this point, it's the human inability to be able to make decent batteries that is generally holding vehicle development back (although petrol or hydrogen driverless pool cars are possible)
 
Gutter Boy said:
I said 15 years. Maybe sooner.

15 years ago the internet was new and cars still had wind windows and used 4* petrol

There's not much missing at the moment. The smart technology is there. The driverless technology is very close.

Like most technology at this point, it's the human inability to be able to make decent batteries that is generally holding vehicle development back (although petrol or hydrogen driverless pool cars are possible)
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Sorry I missed that

I have my doubts if I am honest, can driver less cars work in collaboration with driven cars? We have been driving for GHod knows how many years as humans and still can't master it, imagine men v machine? There will be tinkle taking everywhere causing accidents left right and centre.

How or why we didn't follow the DLR system for inter city travel beyond Canary Wharf is beyond me,
 
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