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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Batspur said:
Half were foreigners? In Glasgow? Jesus. Thats more than a little worrying.
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The worrying thing is there were quite a lot of tourists around Glasgow, japanese/Korean, I really can't understand why anyone would come to Glasgow in the "summer", but in December!
Are they mad!
Most of the Scots were in the pub, busiest I've seen Glasgow City centre in a good while.
 
glasgowspur said:
My sympathies with those in Germany, horrific stuff.
Strangely I have heard some comments about Intel that attacks were thought to be planned.
As my wife loves Christmas and is having a bad time at work just now we went into the Glasgow "Christmas Market", tatt and bad food would be a better description, to cheer her up a little.
With the said chatter in mind as we walked round I couldn't help but think any attack would be a bit pointless, I would say that 40% - 50% of those attending were Muslim families and/or African immigrants.
Along with a fair amount of office party goers, many having enjoyed some Christmas spirit, I have to say it was a good atmosphere.
Not my thing, but they all seemed to be enjoying it.
We can all get along if left to our own devices, it's the nut bars and all sides we need to learn to deal with better.
Again, sympathies to those in Germany, happens too often there.
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Exactly that, nut bars on all sides whipping up hate. Let people who wanna get along get along, you wanna be a cnut about things scream into a pillow or something
 
Awful tragedy in Germany. Not a time to make political points. More will come out about the nut job who perpetrated this horrific crime over the next few days and it might surprise some of those foaming at the mouth. At times of tragedy, we need strong leaders to help our communities stand together against those who try to divide us.
 
Lost Mango said:
So there can be no british muslims??

How many generations post immigration have to pass to qualify as british?

I'm second generation immigrant as my mum is Irish.
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Second generation Polish/German Jew on my mums side.....Geordie on my dad's hahaha

I find it astonishing the lack of clarity people give on what they believe a foreigner, immigrant, illegal is.....but then again I don't think they really care, its all blind hate at the end of the day
 
Interestingly looks like his motive may have been anti-Islam. He is apparently an outspoken critic of Islam since fleeing Saudi Arabia in 2006 and regularly posted on social media related to the German government being complicit in the "islamification of Europe"
 
Kompakted said:
Interestingly looks like his motive may have been anti-Islam. He is apparently an outspoken critic of Islam since fleeing Saudi Arabia in 2006 and regularly posted on social media related to the German government being complicit in the "islamification of Europe"
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An advert for always waiting for the facts before jumping (wanting to jump) to conclusions
 
Grays_1890 said:
An advert for always waiting for the facts before jumping (wanting to jump) to conclusions
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And I'm only guessing at the motive. The only thing the German authorities have confirmed so far was:
- He's a doctor (psychiatrist)
- He's a Saudi national
- He's been living in Germany since 2006 when he was granted asylum after fleeing Saudi Arabia
- He is an outspoken critic of Islam on social media and has been outspoken against Islam whilst in custody
- He believes the German government are actively complicit in the "islamifocation of Europe"
They haven't stated that these are the motives for the attack.
 
Kompakted said:
And I'm only guessing at the motive. The only thing the German authorities have confirmed so far was:
- He's a doctor (psychiatrist)
- He's a Saudi national
- He's been living in Germany since 2006 when he was granted asylum after fleeing Saudi Arabia
- He is an outspoken critic of Islam on social media and has been outspoken against Islam whilst in custody
- He believes the German government are actively complicit in the "islamifocation of Europe"
They haven't stated that these are the motives for the attack.
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Will wait till it comes out in the wash
 
Grays_1890 said:
Will wait till it comes out in the wash
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Different topic (but oft mentioned on here) which underlines the importance of letting the authorities do their work. So many screaming for them to be charged immediately - which they have now rightly been, thankfully, - but given the added complication of the actions of the police officer the CPS needed to take the necessary time to be confident in the charges they were to bring.

Brothers charged over airport fight with police https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c627e37v21eo

As it looks like there will still be appeals let’s hope the time taken by the CPS will mean they can strongly justify the case against those charged and the appeals will be thrown out.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Different topic (but oft mentioned on here) which underlines the importance of letting the authorities do their work. So many screaming for them to be charged immediately - which they have now rightly been, thankfully, - but given the added complication of the actions of the police officer the CPS needed to take the necessary time to be confident in the charges they were to bring.

Brothers charged over airport fight with police https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c627e37v21eo

As it looks like there will still be appeals let’s hope the time taken by the CPS will mean they can strongly justify the case against those charged and the appeals will be thrown out.
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Yeh exactly this, people just seemingly want to jump up and down without actually knowing how the UK legal system works. We both said at the time I fully expected them to be charged and there it is. Having a mate work is fairly high in the Met he often talks about how complicated cases are and the importance of getting evidence absolutely bang on.

Anything like that and Southport should be treated with time and facts and not the kind of justice others seem to want. Interestingly there is that documentary on C4 about the girl who was kidnapped, Tommy Robinson turns up to town trying to put on his own version of justice and basically a bunch of people, included white blokes were wrongly accused and had their lives ruined. Turned out to be a sex trafficking syndicate from Amsterdam and some white bloke from the south who worked in Tescos behind it all. People just seem so keen to attribute stuff to certain races, just makes them look silly in the end, not that they seem to care
 
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Glenda's Legs said:
Different topic (but oft mentioned on here) which underlines the importance of letting the authorities do their work. So many screaming for them to be charged immediately - which they have now rightly been, thankfully, - but given the added complication of the actions of the police officer the CPS needed to take the necessary time to be confident in the charges they were to bring.

Brothers charged over airport fight with police https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c627e37v21eo

As it looks like there will still be appeals let’s hope the time taken by the CPS will mean they can strongly justify the case against those charged and the appeals will be thrown out.
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Although we'll never know the effect that the public demand for those charges had on making them happen.

Better to make our opinions known and ensure all the required pressure is applied.
 
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