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Danishfurniturelover said:
Was widely reported months back, even in opinion pieces in the guardian they were saying the was more checks with us then all the other borders bordering the EU. That does not sound like equality to me.

Yet despite this I have not read anything about people or companies trying to get through things they can not. Delays and issues with paperwork.
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So nothing factual then just opinions.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
You are simply trolling and it is literally fcuking pathetic and it is why so many people have left you freaks to your anti democracy love in. I won't be posting in this thread again with you guys. But it so explains to me why the red wall collapsed.

You guys will just never give up, shame your wasting your time on something destined to fail as the EU is.

To any of the posters that have been sending me PM's about the posters in this thread. You were right and I was wrong about them.
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Far from it - I am asking a very simple and normal question.

You said you didn't vote for this brexit.
I said you did - you mandated the Tories to deliver it as the incumbent government.
You disagreed.
I'm asking who you did expect to deliver Brexit.

No trolling there. A basic question.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
That was in relation to your post about why didn't the government shut down the flights with China when covid kicked off.

When Trump did that a month or so later people were calling him racist. Our government were to scared to be called racist, this is what is also stopping them combat the awful cruel people smuggling trade.
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Covid was coming in from Europe that's where the epidemic really kicked off in the UK. We had an open border to Europe. Any policy targeting one country when others are affected too is on the face of it discriminatory.
 
Another little case study on how Brexit stops UK businesses selling into the EU. Seems like M&S has two options: buy EU produce rather than British to sell in its EU stores, or sell off/close its operations in the EU. Where are the success stories in the flip side?

M&S said: “In light of the new customs arrangements we are taking decisive steps to reconfigure our European operations and have already made changes to food export into [the] Czech Republic.

“We operate a franchise business in France and are currently undertaking a review of the model with our two partners in the market.”

This year the company replaced fresh and chilled foods in its 18 Czech stores with frozen foods and other items with a longer shelf life following problems with deliveries of fresh products.

M&S may have to close some of its stores in France, which are operated by franchise partners Lagardère and SFH Invest, or stop selling sandwiches and chilled food there, according to the Mail on Sunday, which first reported the review.


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admist all the brexit back and forths, one thing that no one is really discussing is the geopolitics of it all and how that affects the UK.

China is doing what China wants, the US even under Biden is continuing a more isolationist policy, and the EU obviously is holding the collective loosely together. I don't think the EU is perfect by any stretch, but there's a reason all these countries clubbed together.

With the US effectively ditching us, we are going to struggle to be taken seriously. For example, Afghanistan withdrawal, which we lobbied the US not to do, but little ol' UK offers nothing substantial in this debate anymore.

Our 'tilt' to the Indo-Pacific in the recent foreign policy review, which makes sense from a GDP standpoint with those countries, is difficult to actually achieve given our lack of geographical involvement as well as our lack of any substantial land/material/holdings in that region.

Also, how do you tilt to the Indo-Pacific when you now have a government group called the China Research Group, given China is by far and away the biggest player in that area? Do you want to tinkle off China, a country that you rely on massively for goods and in reality cannot stand up to?

Aside from the few pro's and more con's of brexit, people are still missing out on the bigger picture which is the UK will struggle to be seen as a serious player with anything substantial to offer.
 
Diamond Lights said:
admist all the brexit back and forths, one thing that no one is really discussing is the geopolitics of it all and how that affects the UK.

China is doing what China wants, the US even under Biden is continuing a more isolationist policy, and the EU obviously is holding the collective loosely together. I don't think the EU is perfect by any stretch, but there's a reason all these countries clubbed together.

With the US effectively ditching us, we are going to struggle to be taken seriously. For example, Afghanistan withdrawal, which we lobbied the US not to do, but little ol' UK offers nothing substantial in this debate anymore.

Our 'tilt' to the Indo-Pacific in the recent foreign policy review, which makes sense from a GDP standpoint with those countries, is difficult to actually achieve given our lack of geographical involvement as well as our lack of any substantial land/material/holdings in that region.

Also, how do you tilt to the Indo-Pacific when you now have a government group called the China Research Group, given China is by far and away the biggest player in that area? Do you want to tinkle off China, a country that you rely on massively for goods and in reality cannot stand up to?

Aside from the few pro's and more con's of brexit, people are still missing out on the bigger picture which is the UK will struggle to be seen as a serious player with anything substantial to offer.
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I agree with most if that. But it is what it is. We are in it now or rather out of it, maybe we need to have a great push for a re-examination and reconnection of the commonwealth, Creating a freetrade area to rival the other big players.
 
Diamond Lights said:
admist all the brexit back and forths, one thing that no one is really discussing is the geopolitics of it all and how that affects the UK.

China is doing what China wants, the US even under Biden is continuing a more isolationist policy, and the EU obviously is holding the collective loosely together. I don't think the EU is perfect by any stretch, but there's a reason all these countries clubbed together.

With the US effectively ditching us, we are going to struggle to be taken seriously. For example, Afghanistan withdrawal, which we lobbied the US not to do, but little ol' UK offers nothing substantial in this debate anymore.

Our 'tilt' to the Indo-Pacific in the recent foreign policy review, which makes sense from a GDP standpoint with those countries, is difficult to actually achieve given our lack of geographical involvement as well as our lack of any substantial land/material/holdings in that region.

Also, how do you tilt to the Indo-Pacific when you now have a government group called the China Research Group, given China is by far and away the biggest player in that area? Do you want to tinkle off China, a country that you rely on massively for goods and in reality cannot stand up to?

Aside from the few pro's and more con's of brexit, people are still missing out on the bigger picture which is the UK will struggle to be seen as a serious player with anything substantial to offer.
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Do you think if we were still in the EU then Biden would have just extended the withdrawl date or paused it altogether? No he's under pressure because like it or not those type of Trump policies were and still are popular.

Similarly why shouldn't we tinkle China off, we should be going further and applying more sanctions on individuals and setting up agreements to purchase more products from elsewhere that have more reliable suppliers. It's an oppressive state imprisoning millions of innocent people for ethnic cleansing under the guise of educating them - one of the worst abuses of power in the world today and no one does anything about it. They should be on trial in the Hague for those crimes.
 
Not sure its millions of people @P.D. China is a massive country, and while their treatment of Muslim Uyghurs is out of order, I don't think they are "ethnic cleansing" as such. They are not killing off these people. Have you been to China? I'd say there is a lot more to China that this one-dimentional representation, and there is no doubt whatsoever you can not ignore China. Most things are made there, and there is a power shift already from the US to China. In real terms (depending on how to measure an economy) China has a bigger economy than the US. Even using conventional GDP measures, China will overtake the US in the next few years.

That is why there is an increasing push back against China. The US and Europe are trying to ensure the power shift isn't too great. Because its happening. And I don't think there is much to fear to be honest. At the moment Chinese stocks are down because of so-called draconian state intervention. But what is it that the communist party has done? Stopped kids playing computer games all day and night. Put some controls on large tech companies. And stopped some private education. Things that the west would probably like to achieve but are too constricted to deliver. There are some advantages to a centralised strong government that can act without fear of the media and lobbying.

The EU offers an alternative though. A larger single market than the US or China, it has started to push back against the large tech companies and assert itself. The EU can't act as swiftly as it has to take 27 nations with it, and it has to be in all of their interests.

One thing is for sure. No one is going to ignore China. How we use Brexit to trade more with the soon-to-be biggest national economy in the world is probably a more interesting question. If you want to stand up to China, we are far more powerful as part of the EU. Brexit should all be about the UK being nimble and able to work with Asian economies stealing a march on the EU. Whether the increased speed we get outweighs the EU weight is to be seen.
 
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Meanwhile, the government announced today that we won't be checking imports into the UK from the EU for at least another year! Our exporters have checks and the additional costs associated with selling into the EU however. Selling into the UK from the EU is as easy as it ever was, but exporting into the EU faces additional friction and cost. In short, our exporters are at a competitive disadvantage. Is this what 'taking back control' looks like in reality? Free in, barriers out?
 
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2021/09/three-to-introduce-roaming-charges-from-may-2022/


The roaming thing is such an arse. Who wants to understand mobile phone operator rules and which damn package you need…Was nice to just chip off on hols knowing you had the same free use as at home. Now you need to know your gigabyte limit etc etc

Brexit won’t change this convenience we were told. Suffice to say: one more Brexit myth has been busted.


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SpurMeUp said:
Meanwhile, the government announced today that we won't be checking imports into the UK from the EU for at least another year! Our exporters have checks and the additional costs associated with selling into the EU however. Selling into the UK from the EU is as easy as it ever was, but exporting into the EU faces additional friction and cost. In short, our exporters are at a competitive disadvantage. Is this what 'taking back control' looks like in reality? Free in, barriers out?
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And EU based traders can send any old dangerous rubbish over to the mainland UK and it will not be checked. Not great, Bob!
The reason they are not doing it, I assume, is that it will exacerbate the current shortages when it is introduced ( plus no infrastructure to do it and all around incompetence)
 
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P.D. said:
Do you think if we were still in the EU then Biden would have just extended the withdrawl date or paused it altogether? No he's under pressure because like it or not those type of Trump policies were and still are popular.

Similarly why shouldn't we tinkle China off, we should be going further and applying more sanctions on individuals and setting up agreements to purchase more products from elsewhere that have more reliable suppliers. It's an oppressive state imprisoning millions of innocent people for ethnic cleansing under the guise of educating them - one of the worst abuses of power in the world today and no one does anything about it. They should be on trial in the Hague for those crimes.
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The Afghan withdrawal is and was really a Biden policy long before Trump weighed in. He was pushing for an end to American intervention when he was VP.
Trump's goal, as with everything he did, was just a short-term political win for his election hopes. Nothing more than that. There was no pressure from his base to do this. That Trump pushed over the first domino last year just meant that the start of the withdrawal ended up being somewhat chaotic, but it was always going to happen irrespective of UK's position on it. And that is the wider point that is being made and is accurate IMO. The UK is losing geopolitical power because of its break with the EU, though there are others reasons for it too. In particular, the threat to the GFA is tinkling off powerful figures in the US.
 
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Gavin Williamson gone - not a great surprise.
Rumours that Raab will be out as well.
Robert Buckland (Justice Sec) gone and possibly Jenrick.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Gavin Williamson gone - not a great surprise.
Rumours that Raab will be out as well.
Robert Buckland (Justice Sec) gone and possibly Jenrick.
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Williamson gone totally? I was hearing Williamson to NI secretary earlier which would have been taking the tinkle on an epic scale. Thank fudge for that.
 
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