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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

SpurMeUp said:
I once did all the graphic design for a little magazine helping people in Columbia. Enjoyed designing the front cover with strong images etc. Was a long time ago. Now I run a couple of companies. But want to quit and sit on a rock somewhere :)
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Im the same want to sit somewhere warm and just rest for the rest of time.

I cant change my avatar because @milo has an odd fetish...
 
Can't recall if this has been brought up but er... how have we fudged testing so bad? I mean, surely it was obvious to increasing tests and capacity months back when numbers were low? Now back to rationing tests. Brilliant.

Still AT LEAST THEY'LL GET BREXIT DONE. And that's what matters.
 
Diamond Lights said:
Can't recall if this has been bought up but er... how have we fudged testing so bad? I mean, surely it was obvious to increasing tests and capacity months back when numbers were low? Now back to rationing tests. Brilliant.

Still AT LEAST THEY'LL GET BREXIT DONE. And that's what matters.
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Well obviously the EU tricked the UK into fudging up the testing.
 
Diamond Lights said:
Can't recall if this has been bought up but er... how have we fudged testing so bad? I mean, surely it was obvious to increasing tests and capacity months back when numbers were low? Now back to rationing tests. Brilliant.

Still AT LEAST THEY'LL GET BREXIT DONE. And that's what matters.
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we love that apparently, blitz spirit

its those fudging remainers again, working with the EU, getting tested just because they have symptoms and the govt told us too
 
Diamond Lights said:
Can't recall if this has been bought up but er... how have we fudged testing so bad? I mean, surely it was obvious to increasing tests and capacity months back when numbers were low? Now back to rationing tests. Brilliant.

Still AT LEAST THEY'LL GET BREXIT DONE. And that's what matters.
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It does need some perspective that we already carry out I believe the most tests in Europe, there is a lot of tests being carried out but obviously we need more.
 
P.D. said:
It does need some perspective that we already carry out I believe the most tests in Europe, there is a lot of tests being carried out but obviously we need more.
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I'm not an expert but the British Medical Journal probably know more than me (PROBABLY LEFTY BASTARDS WHO VOTED REMAIN) basically said it's likely we're not actually testing as much. But you also cannot compare with any country as it's apples and oranges in terms of what's recorded by every different country:

Jon Deeks, professor of biostatistics at the University of Birmingham, said that though the data were interesting, direct comparison was a problem if it was unclear what was being counted. “Several key countries, like Germany, are working on regional control models and probably don’t have the centralised data collection service,” he noted.

A feature of the UK data is that they include tests that have been sent out to people at home or in satellite locations but not necessarily completed. The UK also counts serology antibody tests as part of its overall numbers (under pillar 4 of the Department of Health and Social Care’s testing programme3).

Deeks said that few countries were counting serology tests, which were likely to be inflating the UK’s figures. “Most countries are not using serology tests outside of seroprevalence surveys—which seems a very sensible approach,” he said. “The important question is whether the PCR tests are being done, and whether they are being done in the right people at the right time, and that those people are getting the right medical help, and contact tracing is done.”

Given the lack of uniformity in data collection, it is not possible to firmly establish the accuracy of the claim that the UK is carrying out more tests than any other European countries.

But more broadly, Deeks questioned the merit of using the number of tests conducted as a benchmark for assessing how the testing system is performing.

“I would suggest that the performance metrics they should be looking at is whether people who need PCR testing get a test within 24 hours of need (tick 1), get the results in 24 hours of response (tick 2), together with a conversation with an appropriate healthcare practitioner (tick 3) and contact tracer (tick 4),” he said.
 
Diamond Lights said:
I'm not an expert but the British Medical Journal probably know more than me (PROBABLY LEFTY BASTARDS WHO VOTED REMAIN) basically said it's likely we're not actually testing as much. But you also cannot compare with any country as it's apples and oranges in terms of what's recorded by every different country:

Jon Deeks, professor of biostatistics at the University of Birmingham, said that though the data were interesting, direct comparison was a problem if it was unclear what was being counted. “Several key countries, like Germany, are working on regional control models and probably don’t have the centralised data collection service,” he noted.

A feature of the UK data is that they include tests that have been sent out to people at home or in satellite locations but not necessarily completed. The UK also counts serology antibody tests as part of its overall numbers (under pillar 4 of the Department of Health and Social Care’s testing programme3).

Deeks said that few countries were counting serology tests, which were likely to be inflating the UK’s figures. “Most countries are not using serology tests outside of seroprevalence surveys—which seems a very sensible approach,” he said. “The important question is whether the PCR tests are being done, and whether they are being done in the right people at the right time, and that those people are getting the right medical help, and contact tracing is done.”

Given the lack of uniformity in data collection, it is not possible to firmly establish the accuracy of the claim that the UK is carrying out more tests than any other European countries.

But more broadly, Deeks questioned the merit of using the number of tests conducted as a benchmark for assessing how the testing system is performing.

“I would suggest that the performance metrics they should be looking at is whether people who need PCR testing get a test within 24 hours of need (tick 1), get the results in 24 hours of response (tick 2), together with a conversation with an appropriate healthcare practitioner (tick 3) and contact tracer (tick 4),” he said.
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You really are a political cliche, Brexit has nothing to do with testing but you're obsessed with mentioning it in every post.

Well I'm not the British Medical Journal no and I agree with the points you've posted in the article but one measure quite clearly is the headline one of how many tests are being performed a day just as the headline measure of number of deaths is also a good measure - obviously they don't tell the full story but it's enough to see roughly where you are.
 
P.D. said:
You really are a political cliche, Brexit has nothing to do with testing but you're obsessed with mentioning it in every post.

Well I'm not the British Medical Journal no and I agree with the points you've posted in the article but one measure quite clearly is the headline one of how many tests are being performed a day just as the headline measure of number of deaths is also a good measure - obviously they don't tell the full story but it's enough to see roughly where you are.
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Yes my comment was a wholly serious one :rolleyes:
 
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