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Rather than admonish our Government for signing a withdrawal agreement they sold to the UK as 'oven-ready' (sic) its more interesting to look at why our government is now backtracking and seeking to change the EU withdrawal agreement. One word sums it up: desperation.

You'll hear guff and jargon about negotiations, good faith, trade borders in the Irish sea, unilateral agreements etc etc etc. But don't be fooled the fundamental problem is simple. The UK government is trying to deliver a Brexit that works for Britain. Trying to deliver something that is better. Trying to deliver on what was promised. To do this we need the EU to give us the impossible - to give us trading terms that are better than EU member states get. We want free trade without following EU protocols and controls. This is of course an impossibility because we'd have better trading terms than EU members.

What do you do when you can't get the terms you want? You try and leverage anything you can. And that is what Cummings and Boris have tried to do with Ireland. It's a misplaced idea. That we can create a problem for the EU which creates leverage for our negotiating position. I think it's a desperate possibly dangerous move. One which undermines negotiations with the EU, and makes the UK look a little small time on the international stage. The implications for Irish peace and stability is in question.

The EU only really care about getting some fishing rights off the UK, getting good trade with the UK for its member states, and protecting the Republic of Ireland - an EU member state. Undermining the withdrawal agreement which was designed to protect Ireland takes negotiations backward. It's a desperate move.
 
scaramanga said:
It's precisely how international agreements work.

They don't tend to fall apart because both sides gain from the agreement. This is a perfect example of what happens when one side forces the other into an agreement that doesn't suit them (helped by traitors in our own parliament and legal system, of course).
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The EU themselves are known for adding bolt ons to treaties and agreements. The lisbon treaty comes to mind.

The only rules this country should follow regardless of who is in power are rules set out by the party that won the previous election.

Johnson who i agree is an awful leader, is negotiating a deal. Trying to get an upper hand by riping up a previous deal because it did not offer us enough is called good negotiating. The fact that it has put so many noses out of joint tells me he is for once doing the right thing.

I guess for some once a law is passed a government cant change or improve on it.

The government are the law. We dont like them we can vote them out in 4 years time. Democracy is beautiful
 
Interesting that Geoffrey Cox backed Brexit and even he called this change a shambles. I do enjoy seeing those Brexit folks defending this as just a run of the mill thing. It's quite laughable now, Boris Johnson could call you all brick clams on live TV and you'll clap him away with "he really tells it how it is".

Breaking international law, something most Tory MPs and their voters usually feel quite strongly about, is now "yeh but it's not that important". You will literally give anything up to get your wonderful Brexit. Now you're falling over yourselves to defend this with "oh it's usual add ons" and brick. It's pretty cringeworthy now.

Look forward to your posts on anything to do with Russia, Iran, China etc. Full. Of. brick.
 
Diamond Lights said:
Interesting that Geoffrey Cox backed Brexit and even he called this change a shambles. I do enjoy seeing those Brexit folks defending this as just a run of the mill thing. It's quite laughable now, Boris Johnson could call you all brick clams on live TV and you'll clap him away with "he really tells it how it is".

Breaking international law, something most Tory MPs and their voters usually feel quite strongly about, is now "yeh but it's not that important". You will literally give anything up to get your wonderful Brexit. Now you're falling over yourselves to defend this with "oh it's usual add ons" and brick. It's pretty cringeworthy now.

Look forward to your posts on anything to do with Russia, Iran, China etc. Full. Of. brick.
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I was bothered by bliar breaking laws to go to war but when it comes to dealing with the gangsters in Brussels i think boris can do what he likes.

Done very poorly with covid, but better then i expected with the Brussels gangsters.
 
SpurMeUp said:
You're suggesting the EU forced us into brexit and the withdrawal agreement? That there is no responsibility on our government to a. sign good agreements they are happy with and b. to stick to our legally binding agreements? That should not be our government's basic responsibility?

We would not wish to sign a trade agreement only for the nation who signed it to say 1 year later, sorry mate, we didn't really mean it. We're going to tear up that contract. That is how Banana Republics or nations like Venezuela behave. This is why people on Boris' own team, people who believe in brexit, are deeply concerned by the message he is sending to the world.
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Scara makes about as much sense regarding Brexit as Bozo Johnson does.
 
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Diamond Lights said:
Interesting that Geoffrey Cox backed Brexit and even he called this change a shambles. I do enjoy seeing those Brexit folks defending this as just a run of the mill thing. It's quite laughable now, Boris Johnson could call you all brick clams on live TV and you'll clap him away with "he really tells it how it is".

Breaking international law, something most Tory MPs and their voters usually feel quite strongly about, is now "yeh but it's not that important". You will literally give anything up to get your wonderful Brexit. Now you're falling over yourselves to defend this with "oh it's usual add ons" and brick. It's pretty cringeworthy now.

Look forward to your posts on anything to do with Russia, Iran, China etc. Full. Of. brick.
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After a series of ritual humiliations at the hands of Starmer and now by Miliband, one thing is clear. Johnson is just the front man. He is fed a bunch of lines by Cummings et al ( the ones really in charge) and he does not understand them. Miliband proved that Johnson does not understand his own policy, that he has not even read the act. People actually voted for this shower of brick and then and then... continue to defend the corrupt incompetent clam! Anybody doubting the veracity of the above should check out a clip of Miliband's dissection of Johnson and the look on his face when Milband offered to turn the floor over to him so that he can explain his policy. It is priceless. He was rigid with fear!
 
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You don't agree?
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Well, Brandon Lewis gave a statement in Parliament explaining that the Internal Market bill breaks international law. So, maybe the DoE needs to update the curriculum reference as clearly we don't follow 'the rule of law'.

i imagine they're just enemies of the people and traitors. LET'S CRUSH THE SABOTEURS AM I RIGHT !? *HIGH 5*
 
Diamond Lights said:
Well, Brandon Lewis gave a statement in Parliament explaining that the Internal Market bill breaks international law. So, maybe the DoE needs to update the curriculum reference as clearly we don't follow 'the rule of law'.

i imagine they're just enemies of the people and traitors. LET'S CRUSH THE SABOTEURS AM I RIGHT !? *HIGH 5*
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Ok I get ya
 
Diamond Lights said:
Just opened my son's school note book thing:

"In line of Department of Education guidance, our curriculum actively promotes British Values of:

  • Democracy
  • The rule of law
"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. BANTER.
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The teachers i know are more interested in teaching about special interest groups. Thank GHod my son is in six form now and gets specialised subject teaching which they cant put their particularl views into the lessons.

He wabts to go to university and be a graphoc designer. No idea what a graphic designer is though.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
The teachers i know are more interested in teaching about special interest groups. Thank GHod my son is in six form now and gets specialised subject teaching which they cant put their particularl views into the lessons.

He wabts to go to university and be a graphoc designer. No idea what a graphic designer is though.
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He could end up designing Spurs kits or match day programmes. I'd suggest he should look at specialising in digital design, but hey that's just me.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Are you in the industry?

What is best universities for design courses?
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I didn't grow up in the UK, so I can't really advise on universities. But I am in the digital design industry.

I'd suggest he starts working on developing his design 'identity' or 'voice' which will help set him apart and define the path he wants to head down. He'll probably work on all that at school.

Graphic design skills are pretty transferrable, but it'll help if he can figure out what he's passionate about designing in order to turn it into a career.

Also in terms of money, progressing into a leadership position (creative director, digital director etc.) is where the dollars are. Designers don't get paid overly well unless they're working for themselves.

I'll stop derailing the thread now.
 
nayenezgani said:
I didn't grow up in the UK, so I can't really advise on universities. But I am in the digital design industry.

I'd suggest he starts working on developing his design 'identity' or 'voice' which will help set him apart and define the path he wants to head down. He'll probably work on all that at school.

Graphic design skills are pretty transferrable, but it'll help if he can figure out what he's passionate about designing in order to turn it into a career.

Also in terms of money, progressing into a leadership position (creative director, digital director etc.) is where the dollars are. Designers don't get paid overly well unless they're working for themselves.

I'll stop derailing the thread now.
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Can you design me a new Avatar? I'm sure a few in this thread would love to input :D
 
nayenezgani said:
What do you do for a living?
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I once did all the graphic design for a little magazine helping people in Columbia. Enjoyed designing the front cover with strong images etc. Was a long time ago. Now I run a couple of companies. But want to quit and sit on a rock somewhere :)
 
SpurMeUp said:
I once did all the graphic design for a little magazine helping people in Columbia. Enjoyed designing the front cover with strong images etc. Was a long time ago. Now I run a couple of companies. But want to quit and sit on a rock somewhere :)
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So what's the brief for your new avatar then?
 
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