markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Are you going to cry about this and the result for the next 5 years, fudge me it's boring now, get over it mate
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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
No, just responding to the bombastic Tory boosting hubris. Now that is boring!
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Get used to it, they are the party in charge of this magnificent country for the next 5 years
If you hate them and thee way this country is run, do something about it and move somewhere else, you have an option
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Like I said hubris.
When viewed through the scope of extremism, all others will appear to be the other side of the centre.
There's no debate that the Graun is left wing - it very clearly is and has been for as long as I can remember. Just look at the YouGov charts to see where the country as a whole places it.
We've discussed the racism and you know my opinion on that. WTF have family values got to do with anything? What right do we have to ask or control where he puts his rooster and/or what he puts in him?
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Employment at a record 76.2% level today
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
When put forward with a lack of credibility so glaring even you have been forced to acknowledge it, then yes these things can become quite controversial.
There was a clue pointing that way in Friday's results, if you just look hard enough for it.
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markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Apparently those results were only because of Brexit
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
You seem rather exercised. Sorry for pointing out your holier than tho stance was mildly hypocritical. Let's move on.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
The government is to add a new clause to the Brexit bill to rule out any extension to the transition period beyond the end of next year.
The post-Brexit transition period - due to conclude in December 2020 - can currently be extended by mutual agreement for up to two years.
But an amended Withdrawal Agreement Bill the Commons is set to vote on this week would rule out any extension.
Critics say this raises the chance of leaving the EU without a trade deal.
But senior Cabinet Minister Michael Gove insisted both the UK and the EU had "committed themselves to making sure that we have a deal" by the end of 2020.
He also promised Parliament would be able to scrutinise the Withdrawal Agreement Bill "in depth".
Shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer said the move was "reckless and irresponsible" and he argued that Prime Minister Boris Johnson was "prepared to put people's jobs at risk".
Liberal Democrat interim leader Sir Ed Davey said: "The only way Johnson can meet the December 2020 timetable is by giving up all his previous promises to Leave voters and agreeing to all the demands of the EU."
Downing Street has said the government plans to ask the new Parliament to have its first debate and vote on the withdrawal agreement - the legislation needed to ratify Brexit - on Friday.
With a majority of 80 following Thursday's general election, Mr Johnson is expected to get the bill into law with few changes in time for the UK to end its EU membership on 31 January.
The government will then have until the end of the transition period on 31 December to negotiate a free trade agreement with Brussels before the trade relationship defaults to World Trade Organization (WTO) terms.
Senior EU figures, including the bloc's chief negotiator Michel Barnier, are sceptical that a deal can be agreed within that time.
As well as ruling out an extension, the Independent reports that the amended withdrawal agreement may omit previous "provisions to ensure that workers' rights were not weakened after Brexit".
Mr Gove said workers' rights would be "safeguarded" in separate legislation adding that the government wanted to make sure the Withdrawal Agreement Bill passes through Parliament "cleanly and clearly".
But shadow chancellor John McDonnell said the government would "sacrifice our basic rights and certainty for business at the altar of turning the UK into a Trump-supporting tax haven".
And Labour's Barry Gardiner said his party would be less likely to support the bill if clauses on workers' rights and the environment were removed.
The prime minister promised during the general election campaign that he would not seek an extension to the transition period - persuading Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage to stand down candidates in Tory seats.
Sam Lowe, from the Centre for European Reform think tank, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that Mr Johnson's move was "slightly performative" and its effect would be "largely domestic".
"It is a firmer deadline but of course there is still some flexibility," he said.
Mr Lowe said a December 2020 deadline could help the PM manage his own party when it comes to making concessions to the EU.
"The prospect of a no-deal is still there," Mr Lowe said. "The question is whether Boris Johnson wants a no-deal but the evidence of recent time suggests no he doesn't."
The amendments to the withdrawal agreement come after Mr Johnson carried out a limited reshuffle of his government on Monday.
Simon Hart has been named as Welsh secretary, replacing Alun Cairns, who quit at the start of the election.
And Nicky Morgan stays as culture secretary, despite standing down as an MP. She is taking a peerage and will sit as a cabinet minister in the Lords.
Opposition parties said she had been "rewarded for political sycophancy".
But Ms Morgan, who will be in charge of broadband and media policy, suggested she might only be in the role for a few weeks - pending what are expected to be far-reaching changes to the PM's top team after the UK has left the EU on 31 January.
The post-Brexit transition period - due to conclude in December 2020 - can currently be extended by mutual agreement for up to two years.
But an amended Withdrawal Agreement Bill the Commons is set to vote on this week would rule out any extension.
Critics say this raises the chance of leaving the EU without a trade deal.
But senior Cabinet Minister Michael Gove insisted both the UK and the EU had "committed themselves to making sure that we have a deal" by the end of 2020.
He also promised Parliament would be able to scrutinise the Withdrawal Agreement Bill "in depth".
Shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer said the move was "reckless and irresponsible" and he argued that Prime Minister Boris Johnson was "prepared to put people's jobs at risk".
Liberal Democrat interim leader Sir Ed Davey said: "The only way Johnson can meet the December 2020 timetable is by giving up all his previous promises to Leave voters and agreeing to all the demands of the EU."
Downing Street has said the government plans to ask the new Parliament to have its first debate and vote on the withdrawal agreement - the legislation needed to ratify Brexit - on Friday.
With a majority of 80 following Thursday's general election, Mr Johnson is expected to get the bill into law with few changes in time for the UK to end its EU membership on 31 January.
The government will then have until the end of the transition period on 31 December to negotiate a free trade agreement with Brussels before the trade relationship defaults to World Trade Organization (WTO) terms.
Senior EU figures, including the bloc's chief negotiator Michel Barnier, are sceptical that a deal can be agreed within that time.
As well as ruling out an extension, the Independent reports that the amended withdrawal agreement may omit previous "provisions to ensure that workers' rights were not weakened after Brexit".
Mr Gove said workers' rights would be "safeguarded" in separate legislation adding that the government wanted to make sure the Withdrawal Agreement Bill passes through Parliament "cleanly and clearly".
But shadow chancellor John McDonnell said the government would "sacrifice our basic rights and certainty for business at the altar of turning the UK into a Trump-supporting tax haven".
And Labour's Barry Gardiner said his party would be less likely to support the bill if clauses on workers' rights and the environment were removed.
The prime minister promised during the general election campaign that he would not seek an extension to the transition period - persuading Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage to stand down candidates in Tory seats.
Sam Lowe, from the Centre for European Reform think tank, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that Mr Johnson's move was "slightly performative" and its effect would be "largely domestic".
"It is a firmer deadline but of course there is still some flexibility," he said.
Mr Lowe said a December 2020 deadline could help the PM manage his own party when it comes to making concessions to the EU.
"The prospect of a no-deal is still there," Mr Lowe said. "The question is whether Boris Johnson wants a no-deal but the evidence of recent time suggests no he doesn't."
The amendments to the withdrawal agreement come after Mr Johnson carried out a limited reshuffle of his government on Monday.
Simon Hart has been named as Welsh secretary, replacing Alun Cairns, who quit at the start of the election.
And Nicky Morgan stays as culture secretary, despite standing down as an MP. She is taking a peerage and will sit as a cabinet minister in the Lords.
Opposition parties said she had been "rewarded for political sycophancy".
But Ms Morgan, who will be in charge of broadband and media policy, suggested she might only be in the role for a few weeks - pending what are expected to be far-reaching changes to the PM's top team after the UK has left the EU on 31 January.
They could always just not be gay anymore. Find a nice girl and settle down.
After all, GHod (the one in the first book) says it’s wrong.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Well Bozo, Mogg and co own it now. No one else to blame. Let's see how they go. Past efforts do not inspire much confidence.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Tony Blair warns Labour could be 'finished' in brutal attack warning of '15 more years of Tories'
The former Prime Minister who won three elections unleashed a no-holds barred assessment of Mr Corbyn’s leadership. He warned the party was in a worse position than in 1983 urging it to act quickly
Labour is “finished” and Britain faces 15 more years of Tory rule if the party stays with the politics of Jeremy Corbyn , Tony Blair declared today in a steaming attack on the election bloodbath.
The former Prime Minister unleashed a brutal, no-holds barred assessment of Mr Corbyn’s leadership and politics after complaining for years that Labour was headed down the wrong path.
He compared Corbyn’s Labour to a football team where the striker was “directionally oblivious”, the midfield “comatose”, the defence chatting to fans and the goalkeeper watching a clip of a previous 9-0 thrashing.
And he demanded activists “recapture the party from the far left” to begin the slow march back to power.
“This defeat is seminal. We cannot afford to repeat 1983 moving crablike towards reality,” he said.
“If we go down this line, I tell you, there will be 15 more years of Tory government.”
Mr Blair said “the Labour Party is presently, today, marooned on fantasy island” and “needs self-discipline, not self-indulgence.”
He said 2019 is “much worse than 1983” because that was only Labour’s second defeat and this is its fourth. Labour does not have a “luxury of the slow march back”, he added.
The left wing of Labour, he added, is “essentially a cry of rage against the system. It’s not a programme for government.”
Despite Jeremy Corbyn insisting the result was only about Brexit , he added: “Let us demolish the delusion that the manifesto was popular.
“It was over 100 pages of wish list.
“Any fool can promise everything for free. But the people weren’t fooled. They know life isn’t like that.
“The loading in of free broadband at the last moment was the final confirmation of incredibility.”
And he openly mocked Jeremy Corbyn’s claim that “we won the argument”, sarcastically saying it must be “inexplicable” that the British public disagreed.
Mr Blair refused to say who he’d back for Labour leadership, saying it was “unwise”.
But he issued a thinly-veiled slap down to Keir Starmer, who said today that Labour must not “oversteer” back to the centre.
He said: “This is a fundamental moment in the history of the Labour Party.
"And the public is going to judge whoever steps forward for leadership. The public will switch on and look at what these people are saying.
"And if there’s any sense that they don’t get that a whole ideology… was rejected… it doesn’t matter who leads the Labour Party. They just won’t win again.”
Mr Blair - whose Sedgefield seat enjoyed a visit from Boris Johnson after being lost to the Tories on Thursday - highlighted his own status as the only Labour PM to win three elections.
He called for a “big tent” and “progressive policy” agenda to win over Lib Dem and undecided voters.
On Brexit, he said, Labour “pursued a path of almost comic indecision” which “alienated” voters on both sides.
Mr Blair said he did not regret calling for a second referendum - but accepted the Brexit decision has now been “settled by the election”.
“There was no way of uniting the country over Brexit” he said. “Britain is deeply divided over it.
"Now that Brexit will happen we must make the best of it and the country must come together.”
He added: “I believe with different leadership we would have kept much of our vote in traditional Labour areas.”
He said Corbyn’s Labour was “utterly incredible of being a capable government” adding: “The result has brought shame on us.”
I dont think Ive ever found anything Blair says as agreeable before, not sure how I feel about it now...
The former Prime Minister who won three elections unleashed a no-holds barred assessment of Mr Corbyn’s leadership. He warned the party was in a worse position than in 1983 urging it to act quickly
Labour is “finished” and Britain faces 15 more years of Tory rule if the party stays with the politics of Jeremy Corbyn , Tony Blair declared today in a steaming attack on the election bloodbath.
The former Prime Minister unleashed a brutal, no-holds barred assessment of Mr Corbyn’s leadership and politics after complaining for years that Labour was headed down the wrong path.
He compared Corbyn’s Labour to a football team where the striker was “directionally oblivious”, the midfield “comatose”, the defence chatting to fans and the goalkeeper watching a clip of a previous 9-0 thrashing.
And he demanded activists “recapture the party from the far left” to begin the slow march back to power.
“This defeat is seminal. We cannot afford to repeat 1983 moving crablike towards reality,” he said.
“If we go down this line, I tell you, there will be 15 more years of Tory government.”
Mr Blair said “the Labour Party is presently, today, marooned on fantasy island” and “needs self-discipline, not self-indulgence.”
He said 2019 is “much worse than 1983” because that was only Labour’s second defeat and this is its fourth. Labour does not have a “luxury of the slow march back”, he added.
The left wing of Labour, he added, is “essentially a cry of rage against the system. It’s not a programme for government.”
Despite Jeremy Corbyn insisting the result was only about Brexit , he added: “Let us demolish the delusion that the manifesto was popular.
“It was over 100 pages of wish list.
“Any fool can promise everything for free. But the people weren’t fooled. They know life isn’t like that.
“The loading in of free broadband at the last moment was the final confirmation of incredibility.”
And he openly mocked Jeremy Corbyn’s claim that “we won the argument”, sarcastically saying it must be “inexplicable” that the British public disagreed.
Mr Blair refused to say who he’d back for Labour leadership, saying it was “unwise”.
But he issued a thinly-veiled slap down to Keir Starmer, who said today that Labour must not “oversteer” back to the centre.
He said: “This is a fundamental moment in the history of the Labour Party.
"And the public is going to judge whoever steps forward for leadership. The public will switch on and look at what these people are saying.
"And if there’s any sense that they don’t get that a whole ideology… was rejected… it doesn’t matter who leads the Labour Party. They just won’t win again.”
Mr Blair - whose Sedgefield seat enjoyed a visit from Boris Johnson after being lost to the Tories on Thursday - highlighted his own status as the only Labour PM to win three elections.
He called for a “big tent” and “progressive policy” agenda to win over Lib Dem and undecided voters.
On Brexit, he said, Labour “pursued a path of almost comic indecision” which “alienated” voters on both sides.
Mr Blair said he did not regret calling for a second referendum - but accepted the Brexit decision has now been “settled by the election”.
“There was no way of uniting the country over Brexit” he said. “Britain is deeply divided over it.
"Now that Brexit will happen we must make the best of it and the country must come together.”
He added: “I believe with different leadership we would have kept much of our vote in traditional Labour areas.”
He said Corbyn’s Labour was “utterly incredible of being a capable government” adding: “The result has brought shame on us.”
I dont think Ive ever found anything Blair says as agreeable before, not sure how I feel about it now...
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Blair is on the money regarding SOME aspects of the manifesto, but most of this is predictable new Tory propaganda. There has been much misinformation re the Tories winning Sedgefield in the last election. A Tory occupied it for a great part of the previous twenty years. He probably duccked in to cast a vote for the Tory candidate in between speaking engagements.
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
Better late than never...
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Why would anyone believe someone who took us into a War on a lie.