Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[MartyFunkhouser]

I would say the majority of households around the country follow the same method of voting, it might be more subtle than a lift down to the booths.

 

[Mikey10]

Had the misfortune to see Zack Polanski talking about the crisis in the Middle East on Laura K this morning. His worldview is terrifyingly simplistic.

 

[Gazza]

Wasn’t your Muslim bloc statement also a sweeping generalisation?

As in sectarian voting exists even amongst Muslim people?

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

Catholics and high Protestants - Tories
Non-Conformists and low Protestants - Labour
Hindus - Tories

There's old trends. But usually the causality is to do with class

Writing as a native of Camden Town I never knew any of my fellow Catholics vote Conservative, it was either Labour or Communist.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Writing as a native of Camden Town I never knew any of my fellow Catholics vote Conservative, it was either Labour or Communist.

I was thinking more British establishment, rather than decedents from more recent Irish immigrants (which Camden is traditionally rich in since the navvies). In the sense of both being preservers of tradition, hierarchy, patriarchy and conservative values etc. You wouldn't get say anti-abortionists in other parties. Iain Duncan Smith, Edward Leigh, Damien Hinds, Therese Coffey - that sort of demographic

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

I was thinking more British establishment, rather than decedents from more recent Irish immigrants (which Camden is traditionally rich in since the navvies). In the sense of both being preservers of tradition, hierarchy, patriarchy and conservative values etc. You wouldn't get say anti-abortionists in other parties. Iain Duncan Smith, Edward Leigh, Damien Hinds, Therese Coffey - that sort of demographic

The British Establishment is a very narrow group to base voting figures on, most of the qualified population have been able to vote since 1928.

 

[johnola]

Writing as a native of Camden Town I never knew any of my fellow Catholics vote Conservative, it was either Labour or Communist.

So they all voted in a bloc along religious lines?

It does explain why followers of the most supremely conservative hierarchical institution in the Western World would vote left wing - because they were told to!

 

[Glenda's Legs]

As in sectarian voting exists even amongst Muslim people?

It probably does on a case by case basis, as with any other group.
But “the Muslim bloc” seemed to imply you were referring to Muslims as a group who would all have to vote the same way. Did I get that wrong?

 

[Gutter Boy]

The British Establishment is a very narrow group to base voting figures on, most of the qualified population have been able to vote since 1928.

Upper middles classes then. Tunbridge Wells summer fete phalanx. Most of those are high Protestant instead, but there's a decent proportion that have remained Catholic since the Reformation

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

So they all voted in a bloc along religious lines?

It does explain why followers of the most supremely conservative hierarchical institution in the Western World would vote left wing - because they were told to!

No it seemed mainly due to their financial and social position. Conservatives never seemed an option to the working class.

 

[Gazza]

It probably does on a case by case basis, as with any other group.
But “the Muslim bloc” seemed to imply you were referring to Muslims as a group who would all have to vote the same way. Did I get that wrong?

Didn’t mean it just at Muslims but across all religions

 

[LutonSpurs]

Didn’t mean it just at Muslims but across all religions

Which is still a massive generalisation.

 

[Gazza]

Which is still a massive generalisation.

So sectarian politics are imaginary? Probably more realistic than some of the tripe written in certain texts that are followed

 

[LutonSpurs]

So sectarian politics are imaginary? Probably more realistic than some of the tripe written in certain texts that are followed

No. Lol you've missed the point totally again. You keep trying mate..

 

[Gazza]

No. Lol you've missed the point totally again. You keep trying mate..

Here we go. I think you have. Enjoy.

 

[LutonSpurs]

@Gazza you moaned about generalisations and then it was pointed out that had made them too. Then you pivoted to some other topic. You can read it back if you like.

 

[Gazza]

@Gazza you moaned about generalisations and then it was pointed out that had made them too. Then you pivoted to some other topic. You can read it back if you like.

Leave it out. It’s pretty basic. But you don’t need to press me about my stance. You really do get more confused than many very easily. Especially saying that you don’t practice Islam yet observe fasting. Enjoy your Sunday.

Sectarianism in voting exists it’s that basic. That’s across all religions in varying degrees. It’s a very simple point. And if you think that’s quite sweeping then so be it. Boring.