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Kompakted said:
With social media the interesting debate around regulation is that regulation is *generally* driven by states or supranationional entities. Going back to the point about Meta stopping fact checking on FB, states have kind of washed their hands of it to an extent and told social media platforms that they need to regulate their own platforms. What you're seeing is a bit of a battle of wills now where Musk and others are saying f**k off, that's not our job.
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Absolutely agree..........interesting topic though, you always add some very crucial angles. Pleasure sir
 
Rorschach said:
The anti-nuclear stance is quite muted among climate folk now, for the most part. Most if not all experts are for retaining existing nuclear power. New nuclear power makes zero financial sense though, considering the quicker cheaper and cleaner options.
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In the UK renewables are actually more expensive than nuclear and as it stands there's still no solution to when the wind stops or there's little sun. There's no storage solution available that's proven at the scale required yet. You can see here in the past week renewables drops off massively on some days with wind providing as little as 5% https://x.com/myGridGB. Just this week the UK spent £12m on 2 power stations for 3 hours https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-more-than-12m-for-three-hours-of-electricity

I'm all for more renewables but they can't yet provide cheap consistent power at the scale required not only for residential but also for industry who need greater certainty on costs. Look at Germany now who shut down all their nuclear power and now import heavily from others and have seen industry decline (obviously some of that is due to Russia as well).
 
Kompakted said:
With social media the interesting debate around regulation is that regulation is *generally* driven by states or supranationional entities. Going back to the point about Meta stopping fact checking on FB, states have kind of washed their hands of it to an extent and told social media platforms that they need to regulate their own platforms. What you're seeing is a bit of a battle of wills now where Musk and others are saying f**k off, that's not our job.
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There's an easy solution: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y3rnl5qv3o
 
Grays_1890 said:
I don't want us to be North Korea but there has to be stronger regulation around social media and that includes the age in which kids get access to certain platforms
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The EU will move the needle on this or no one will. There was EU legislation rolled out about a year ago (the name escapes me now) designed to regulate content on social media sites, including how their algorithms juice up misinformation etc. Early days yet but we'll see if they start getting serious about this. The fines are considerable I believe - 6% of worldwide turnover - but any case brought will be long drawn out technical affairs no doubt.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I never realised how bad the issue was until Twitter started occasionally toggling the 'following' feed back to 'for you'.

What an absolute bin fire of fascism and misogyny it force-feeds people who might lack critical capacity.
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Also there is no way of not seeing Musk, I blocked the whelk and he pops up all the time........
 
P.D. said:
In the UK renewables are actually more expensive than nuclear and as it stands there's still no solution to when the wind stops or there's little sun. There's no storage solution available that's proven at the scale required yet. You can see here in the past week renewables drops off massively on some days with wind providing as little as 5% https://x.com/myGridGB. Just this week the UK spent £12m on 2 power stations for 3 hours https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-more-than-12m-for-three-hours-of-electricity

I'm all for more renewables but they can't yet provide cheap consistent power at the scale required not only for residential but also for industry who need greater certainty on costs. Look at Germany now who shut down all their nuclear power and now import heavily from others and have seen industry decline (obviously some of that is due to Russia as well).
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New nuclear is considerably more expensive than renewables. If that is not the case in the UK then I'll be more than a little surprised. Where are you getting your figures for this?

Germany made a mistake in shutting down their plants early. Relying on Russian energy was an even bigger mistake. The flip side of this is that they have had to invest heavily into the renewables space and this accounted for over half their power consumption in 2024. It imported 2% of its electricity in 2023 google tells me, so not that bad either.
 
Rorschach said:
New nuclear is considerably more expensive than renewables. If that is not the case in the UK then I'll be more than a little surprised. Where are you getting your figures for this?

Germany made a mistake in shutting down their plants early. Relying on Russian energy was an even bigger mistake. The flip side of this is that they have had to invest heavily into the renewables space and this accounted for over half their power consumption in 2024. It imported 2% of its electricity in 2023 google tells me, so not that bad either.
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@Lost Mango has provided some costs. There isn't one in that table but a slight premium would be justified due to a consistent supply. You also haven't said how you'd address what happens when it's not windy or sunny? The share of wind varies from almost nothing to 25% depending on the weather, you can't run a country on that.
 
Education is the magic bullet, it’s not that social media is full of brick, it’s that we stopped teaching kids how to recognise it.
 
P.D. said:
@Lost Mango has provided some costs. There isn't one in that table but a slight premium would be justified due to a consistent supply. You also haven't said how you'd address what happens when it's not windy or sunny? The share of wind varies from almost nothing to 25% depending on the weather, you can't run a country on that.
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The data quoted in that chart is very old (from a 2011 report). It is not clear if it is referring to the deployment of new nuclear but I would say it is not based on the numbers. New nuclear is about 2-4 times the price of renewables (more for SMRs) and only heading in one direction. Also, renewables can be deployed in a fraction of the time it takes to get a nuclear plant up and running, and time is of the essence for the climate now. Anything being built now won't stand a chance in the market by the time it comes online.

Just on the windy/sunny thing (a meme in climate circles). Yes those that design and balance the grid do understand this variance. The UK will need peaker plants of one technology or another until enough renewables are deployed and storage catches up. And it will.

You might not be aware that nuclear plants are also shut down regularly for a variety of reasons. Half of France's nuclear power plants were offline for one reason or another in 22. They are not as reliable as often imagined, and can only be used as base load. And those plants built beside the sea or rivers (all of them ) will have their own problems as the climate changes, with sea level rise and droughts. There is also a different problem with cheap renewable power in the market compared to more expensive base-load nuclear power, the flip side of the coin, but that is a whole other discussion which I won't get into.

Anyway in short, existing nuclear I'm down with but new stuff doesn't make sense is where I land.
 
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