Overreaction..

[SUIYHA]

I've got no time for people who go to White Hart Lane and boo our players, don't join in with songs and cause a poisonous atmosphere around the ground. Go and support Arsenal or West Ham if that's how you want to behave.

Equally, I've got no time for people who, after the games, refuse to accept any criticism of our players, manager or the club. Go and support Liverpool if you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend that your club is the greatest everything.

Some people seem to think that criticising a Spurs player or manager, or acting pessimistically, equates to not showing passion or support for the club. It's not the case at all. I don't think Dempsey is good enough for Spurs and I will be disappointed if we don't sell him this summer (though I don't expect us to), but if bumped into him in the street I'm not exactly gonna say "fudge off Clint, you're brick and we don't want you here" - I'm sure people have probably done that to Adebayor though.

This is a football forum. We are here to debate and discuss things. The fact that anyone spends their time on here shows that they show intense passion for their club. But if the club does something that is brick, why pretend it isn't? Does that make you more of a fan by ignoring it? I'd say it makes you more of a macaron.

 

[SUIYHA]

But that is no different to what the rest of us are doing. Don't you see?

We all love the club. We all want to win. But if we see something poor, as we did saturday despite the win, we comment on it.

Some are more vociferous than others, but we all do it.

I don't think any of us have actually stopped supporting and hoping, despite the odds slowly working against us.

tickle my balls with a feather, you beat me to it!

 

[Gutter Boy]

why were things desperate?

We'd just imploded and blown our 12 point lead. There was the heartbreak of Munich. Levy seemed to be dordling over sacking Redknapp and Moyes/Martinez were hot favourites for the job. We knew there would be a massive press backlash. All our big stars apparently wanted to leave and we did end up losing 3 of our 4 'worldies'. We were in a right state.

I'm more concerned that he doesn't give a brick about our matches with Chelsea, Stoke and Sunderland.

Now we are more sustainable/focused on the long term, CL isn't the be all and end all. We don't need windfalls because we will build organically.

4th would be a bonus, but 5th is still impressive/showing we're heading in the right direction.

I love the UEFA cup again now too, now that we're not devaluing it.

I guarantee if we were in EXACTLY the same position, EXACTLY the same players, EXACTLY the same results, but Redknapp was manager...you wouldn't be saying that.

But we're at the start of a bigger journey now, not just trying to wing it as long as we could. We're doing it properly - growth that we can consolidate and continue to build on.

 

[Yiddo]

Seriously, some of the overreacting I have seen on this forum over the past few weeks has been unbearable. Come on guys, sure drawing away at Wigan is tough to swallow, and just about overcoming Southampton at home after a very poor performance is frustrating but we are STILL in the hunt for a top four finish, don't give up on the team when the season hasn't even finished and the rewards are still possible. In fact, don't give up on the team at all.

I mean over the past few weeks, days even, I have seen things like "Lennon, Holtby, Sigurdsson aren't footballers" which is mind boggling considering the same people probably moan about pass and move and how we lack it when Holtby is one of the rare people in our team who actually understands that concept. I've also seen "Valencia is leagues above Lennon" now that has got to be the worst of all of them. Valencia? Antonio Valencia? The brick one from Man Utd is LEAGUES above Lennon? Really? Seriously? Come off it, you're just saying that to get a reaction now.

Not to mention other gems such as "Dembele is average", "we had a better midfield in the Jol days" - that one was a good one, how I miss those days of Jenas partnering the likes of Danny Murphy or Didier Zokora in midfield with Malbranque out wide, good old days, I mean imagine we had that midfield now, no doubt we'd be contending for the title, such a shame.

I just don't get it. You love this club right? Then get fudging behind them and show them, support them. It's like people just want to be negative because maybe when something positive happens it feels better? I know how that is, when we play some of the big guns I kinda put my hopes down so when we get a hard fought draw or a win it feels much better. This is why I love for the club. Win, lose, or draw we are Tottenham.

We are on to something big in my eyes. We have a young manager who has won things in the past, has good insight to the game and give him a few years and I know we'll see something special at the club. We have some real superb talented individuals, Lloris, one of the best goalkeepers in the league. We have Vertonghen who in his debut season has been voted by his peers as one of the best centre backs, we also have Kaboul who last season was arguably our best centre back, we haven't even seen what those two could potentially form at the back.

We have in Sandro one of the best players in his position in the world in my view. We have Aaron Lennon who has been a great servant to the club for near enough 8 years now, on his day still a terrorising winger who can run full backs inside out. We have a talented midfield partner for Sandro in Dembele who's footwork, skill and defensive ability is quite frankly scary. And of course we have Gareth Bale, one of the best players in the world and just got voted PFA Players Player, Writers Player and Young Player of the Year.

We're still fighting for a top four finish, we have 3 games left. We got this far despite not having our best centre back from last season in Kaboul, we have continued to fight for it even without Sandro who was one of our top performers and has been a big loss in central midfield for 4 months now. We have done it without a form striker in Adebayor or Defoe, especially Adebayor who last season was easily our best striker and one of our most important players. We've done it without the creativity of a Modric or van der Vaart who helped us last season greatly.

I think some of you expect too much. It's like after one season of Champions League football (which we all bloody well loved), you think by some divine right we DESERVE Champions League football. And maybe we did deserve it this year after finishing fourth in the league, but it didn't happen. If we don't get it this year, then it didn't happen, we dust ourselves off and we give it another go next year.

I just hope for he remaining three games, through thick and thin, through every misplaced pass, foul given, foul throw, miss, card, you stick by the players and support the GHod damn team because boy they need us more than every now. Starting with the away support at Stamford Bridge, lets go there, lets fudging destroy them on there own pitch for the first time in 20 years, lets give AVB his day, lets give us OUR day and for GHod sakes lets give TOTTENHAM THERE DAY.

I think someone has been watching to many of them inspirational speech videos in the OMT

 

[Skinhead in a Suit]

We'd just imploded and blown our 12 point lead. There was the heartbreak of Munich. Levy seemed to be dordling over sacking Redknapp and Moyes/Martinez were hot favourites for the job. We knew there would be a massive press backlash. All our big stars apparently wanted to leave and we did end up losing 3 of our 4 'worldies'. We were in a right state.



Now we are more sustainable/focused on the long term, CL isn't the be all and end all. We don't need windfalls because we will build organically.

4th would be a bonus, but 5th is still impressive/showing we're heading in the right direction.

I love the UEFA cup again now too, now that we're not devaluing it.




But we're at the start of a bigger journey now, not just trying to wing it as long as we could. We're doing it properly - growth that we can consolidate and continue to build on.

We've disagreed over the years GB but that is by far my favourite post from you! =D>

PS - Used to be "Ace Face"

 

[ArcspacE]

Believe me when i say Mumorn suffers from multiple Personality Disorder. One minute he's informing us how brick this player is or how brick we're playing, the next minute he tells us we shouldn't moan and complain, the next minute he goes back to bashing players/performances, a few minutes later he'll start threads declaring we should all be positive.

:lol:

 

[ArcspacE]

I think someone has been watching to many of them inspirational speech videos in the OMT

Steff has infected him with the virus

 

[punk_is_back`]

why desperate? as opposed to dissapointing?....no one at the start of the season thought we were nailed on for top 4 last year...but we over acheived and that put people's backs out when we didnt make 3rd. we did however get our target.
what was desperate about hitting our target?

Our target was champions league football which was 3rd or 4th (dependant on Chelsea). We were 13 points ahead in 3rd and therefore we had every right to re-evaluate our goal. Redknapp messed it up and we lost out on CL due to Chelsea winning it. We were in the driving seat but the driver took his eye off the ball and we lost out. We lost our top 2 playmakers and our best defender. How is that not a desperate situation? The squad was inbalanced and we lost a lost of ball players. We are doing well, considering that Everton and Liverpool have similar strength squads to us. Of course Bale makes the difference and he is one of the main reasons that we are 5th.

 

[joey55]

We've disagreed over the years GB but that is by far my favourite post from you! =D>

PS - Used to be "Ace Face"

But it's nothing short of nonsense.

How can anyone claim we hadn't seen massive growth over the previous 3 years. We'd gone from a mid table team to a side finishing in the top 4 2 our of 3 seasons! We'd developed some world class players. The youth system and academy has never been so healthy. Is GB really going to try and claim that this is part of our new "bigger journey?" If he does he obviously hasn't been following the youth set up in recent years. It's been moving along brilliantly.

Most of the players we signed this summer were identified the previous season. Redknapp even spoke about Demeble and Vertonghen on MOTD. But even so why is signing them any different to signing the likes of Kaboul, Sandro and Walker.

I can't see what is different. What are we now doing properly that we weren't doing before? The only difference I can see is that we are now fighting for 4th place instead of 3rd. Somehow GB has concluded that 5th is an over achievement, as if to suggest that Everton who finished as massive 13 points behind us last season, should have finished above us. Or am I supposed to be impressed we managed to hold off Liverpool who finished 17 points behind us! When you look at it like that (ie fairly and objectively), surely you can see what a load of biased nonsense GB's post was. But it's typical of so many posters here who are total denial about what our objectives are and should be this season.

5th is not impressive. It doesn't show we are going in the right direction. It's not a disaster by any means. It's a decent finish, but one that will cause for a review of how things are coming along at 1st team level.

The academy is strong and has been for years. Player recruitment is strong and has been for years. The overall structure of the club is very good considering our size and financial situation. This has been the case since 2004 and remains so. There is no new journey. Just a new coach, who is yet to prove his worth to the club. 5th place isn't proving anything other than it's not bad. Given the size of the gap between us and Everton and Liverpool, I think any coach coming in, including Glenn Roeder, would have been expected to finish at least 5th. Levy and AVB proposed 4th as the expectation. Yet somehow people like GB get away with biased, nonsense propaganda and most of the board lap it up. It's absolute rubbish!

 

[billyiddo]

5th is not impressive. It doesn't show we are going in the right direction. It's not a disaster by any means. It's a decent finish, but one that will cause for a review of how things are coming along at 1st team level.

i disagree - 5th is where we should be based on our financial output and compared to our rivals and their squads/performances (technically it should be 6th based purely on finances but Liverpool have bust out and are rebuilding)

i think the aim will be for the club to provide AVB with a squad capable of over taking one or two of those above us and if Levy thinks he has done that but we finish some way short of that in reality then it will be cause for review - i don't think that is the case this season - i think Levy will see the unbalance and lack of depth of this squad as well as the points totals/form of both Chelsea and Arsenal and realise that 5th is a fair finish.

(here's hoping we can finish higher though)

 

[Mumorn]

I think someone has been watching to many of them inspirational speech videos in the OMT

i bloody well posted it

 

[unit kaboom]

Im actually staggered you have written this! I referred to tabloid talking reactionists a few weeks back and you were one of the people i was referring to!
I have seen you write off our top 4 chances more times then i care to remember... Anyway although massively hypocritical of you i agree with your post! COYS

 

[Mumorn]

Im actually staggered you have written this! I referred to tabloid talking reactionists a few weeks back and you were one of the people i was referring to!
I have seen you write off our top 4 chances more times then i care to remember... Anyway although massively hypocritical of you i agree with your post! COYS

i suppose that'd come under where I talked about being pessimistic to make the positives feel so much better.

 

[joey55]

i disagree - 5th is where we should be based on our financial output and compared to our rivals and their squads/performances (technically it should be 6th based purely on finances but Liverpool have bust out and are rebuilding)

i think the aim will be for the club to provide AVB with a squad capable of over taking one or two of those above us and if Levy thinks he has done that but we finish some way short of that in reality then it will be cause for review - i don't think that is the case this season - i think Levy will see the unbalance lack of depth of this squad as well as the points totals/form of both Chelsea and Arsenal and realise that 5th is a fair finish.

(here's hoping we can finish higher though)

But it isn't upto you. Levy didn't appoint AVB on a whim. Long discussions would have taken place about objectives and they came to an agreement. In order to appoint AVB Levy had to fire a coach that had proven he could over come the financial advantages our rivals have. He's demonstrated he could finish in the top 4 with different squads, playing in different styles. Levy decided to remove him and appoint someone else with the belief that they could do better, even with the financial restrictions.

What I'm saying isn't biased or unreasonable, but it's treated as if it is on this forum. I'm just telling it like it is. The members here seem to decide things for themselves based on nothing. AVB's role at the club according to this forum seems a world a way from the reality. Some people think he's running the academy and the scouting network. He's not. He's head coach. He's been brought in to improve the coaching. That will be reviewed whether the members of this forum like it or not. He and Levy agreed objectives for the season and this will be part of the review. I'm not saying 5th place is bad. It isn't. But what I am saying is that it most certainly isn't an over achievement, it's not a success and it isn't a sign that things are going in the right direction. It's a failure to reach our objectives (not set by me, so I'm not being biased) and a reason for uncertainty as much as it is to be positive. That's a very reasonable way to view things (assuming we do finish 5th and not 4th). Yet many on this forum act as if it's crazy talk.

I think the biggest misunderstanding is in AVBs role at the club. Most here view him as a manager and feel he's here to build something. Yet all the evidence says that is absolutely not the case. He's here as a head coach. The clubs development and direction will continue with or without him. If he isn't on the training ground someone else will be. But the academy, the scouting, the stadium plans and brand development will continue no matter what.

 

[unit kaboom]

You've lost me?
Im not on here all the time, i miss many threads but im sorry you have always stood out as someone who massively overreacts and appear extremely quick to tell us its all over after a bad result.

 

[Kingdawson]

i suppose that'd come under where I talked about being pessimistic to make the positives feel so much better.

yeh but don't have a go at others for something you are guilty of yourself. If you're on this 'positive vibe' now then fair enough and good luck to you, but being critical of others when you yourself is constantly guilty of the same damn thing is ridiculously hypocritical.

Preaching about positivity is fine though and again good luck to you.

 

[Spursalot]

But it isn't upto you. Levy didn't appoint AVB on a whim. Long discussions would have taken place about objectives and they came to an agreement. In order to appoint AVB Levy had to fire a coach that had proven he could over come the financial advantages our rivals have. 1 He's demonstrated he could finish in the top 4 with different squads, playing in different styles. Levy decided to remove him and appoint someone else with the belief that they could do better, even with the financial restrictions.

What I'm saying isn't biased or unreasonable, but it's treated as if it is on this forum. I'm just telling it like it is. The members here seem to decide things for themselves based on nothing. AVB's role at the club according to this forum seems a world a way from the reality.2 Some people think he's running the academy and the scouting network. He's not. He's head coach. He's been brought in to improve the coaching. That will be reviewed whether the members of this forum like it or not. He and Levy agreed objectives for the season and this will be part of the review. 3 I'm not saying 5th place is bad. It isn't. But what I am saying is that it most certainly isn't an over achievement, it's not a success and it isn't a sign that things are going in the right direction. It's a failure to reach our objectives (not set by me, so I'm not being biased) 4 and a reason for uncertainty as much as it is to be positive. That's a very reasonable way to view things (assuming we do finish 5th and not 4th). Yet many on this forum act as if it's crazy talk.

I think the biggest misunderstanding is in AVBs role at the club. Most here view him as a manager and feel he's here to build something. Yet all the evidence says that is absolutely not the case. He's here as a head coach. The clubs development and direction will continue with or without him. If he isn't on the training ground someone else will be. But the academy, the scouting, the stadium plans and brand development will continue no matter what.

Of course it's biased, it's your opinion. That is the very definition of bias.

1 - You seem to believe that Levy's decision to sack Harry was just a spur of the moment thing, that Harry had zero to do with it. That's gonads.

2 - Nobody has said he is running either as far as i can recall. What people have said is that the transfers are done via committee, of which AVB is a part. Also that AVB will have an affect upon the academy, because he clearly will. He'll go to some of the academy sessions, probably go and watch some of the matches. He has to talk to the academy coaches and managers so that they can tell him which players they think might or might not be ready to step up a level.

3 - Levy agreed objectives for the season. Is your name Levy or AVB? No. You can't conclusively say what those objectives are. AVB and the players clearly want CL football, however Levy has come out and said nothing.

4 - Once again, you are quite clearly being biased. It is to do with your view, which is your opinion.

 

[billyiddo]

QUOTE=joey55

But it isn't upto you. Levy didn't appoint AVB on a whim. Long discussions would have taken place about objectives and they came to an agreement. In order to appoint AVB Levy had to fire a coach that had proven he could over come the financial advantages our rivals have. He's demonstrated he could finish in the top 4 with different squads, playing in different styles. Levy decided to remove him and appoint someone else with the belief that they could do better, even with the financial restrictions.

you don't know Levys reasons for replacing Harry Redknapp anymore than i do - there are many potential reasons as to why Levy (or Lewis even) could have wanted to replace him, not least the way he took his eye off the ball and openly courted another job whilst letting our form nosedive for several months - or opening challenging the club to offer him a new contract at the end of the season after spurning our offer only several months earlier? we don't know for sure that Levy was unhappy with Redknapps league performances overall or that he expects AVB to surpass him even - he could be happy for him to match it, for example.

What I'm saying isn't biased or unreasonable, but it's treated as if it is on this forum. I'm just telling it like it is. The members here seem to decide things for themselves based on nothing. AVB's role at the club according to this forum seems a world a way from the reality. Some people think he's running the academy and the scouting network. He's not. He's head coach. He's been brought in to improve the coaching. That will be reviewed whether the members of this forum like it or not. He and Levy agreed objectives for the season and this will be part of the review. I'm not saying 5th place is bad. It isn't. But what I am saying is that it most certainly isn't an over achievement, it's not a success and it isn't a sign that things are going in the right direction. It's a failure to reach our objectives (not set by me, so I'm not being biased) and a reason for uncertainty as much as it is to be positive. That's a very reasonable way to view things (assuming we do finish 5th and not 4th). Yet many on this forum act as if it's crazy talk.

i can't talk about what you think other people perceive AVB's role to be at the club, i don't think ive given the impression i think any of the above so not sure of the relevance really

i don't think 5th to be an over achievement, it's more or less where we should be, when you take in to account the changes to the the squad and management over the summer then personally im happy with 5th. again im not sure how you are privy to what Levy has set AVBs target for this season whilst the rest of us can only guess - no doubt that Levy expects long term for us to break in to the top 4 (should he manage to provide the manager with the tools necessary) but in his first season with the squad needing quite a bit of work? Im not so sure myself and if that is what he is demanding then i believe that to be a wholly unreasonable requirement.

I think the biggest misunderstanding is in AVBs role at the club. Most here view him as a manager and feel he's here to build something. Yet all the evidence says that is absolutely not the case. He's here as a head coach. The clubs development and direction will continue with or without him. If he isn't on the training ground someone else will be. But the academy, the scouting, the stadium plans and brand development will continue no matter what.

im not sure which thread it is in but ive mentioned this myself - we're someway back towards a DoF set up, i wouldn't be surprised if over the summer or next season we appoint a DoF (of sorts) all the more reason for me to think that Levy will only judge AVB on what he provides him with, at the moment we can't claim to be better than Arseal or Chelsea (unlike last season) so he cannot expect us to finish higher

 

[DubaiSpur]

Again, I don't know why anybody is surprised that people are overreacting. After the trauma of last season, any unconditional belief in the team this time around is basically just asking fate to punch you in the nuts again, something it does to us with evident glee.

People still believe, but they're much warier about believing to the end these days. Don't want to get burned again. So the minute the team looks like failing you have angry outbursts from people determined to try to shield themselves from the pain that suddenly looms large over their futures.

Me, I accepted a long time ago that this was a transition season, and started out expecting absolutely nothing but commitment. But as we started doing well, and as the top four started hovering tantalizingly into view again, all the old hopes came back. But with them comes fear of those hopes being dashed, and angry outbursts immediately after a setback because deep down, probably subconsciously, i'm trying to convince myself I never should have started hoping.

Overreaction happens when the season is ongoing. and this season, it is likelier than ever because of the way we failed last season. Let it happen. It's therapuetic.

 

[Mumorn]

You've lost me?
Im not on here all the time, i miss many threads but im sorry you have always stood out as someone who massively overreacts and appear extremely quick to tell us its all over after a bad result.

im not being serious when i say that though. I mean saying game over after we go 1-0 down after 5 minutes is obvious trolling :lol: