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***OMT TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR vs KAA Gent - 2nd Leg***

glasgowspur said:
That game was on one player Dele, end of.

Blaming the ref the worst kind head in the sand stupidity.

It took multiple replays and several minutes for the tv to pick out that it wasn't a corner, what chance has the ref.

Dele tried to buy a free-kick and the ref doesn't buy it. He then tried to maim a player. That's a red card all day fudging long.

We insist on giving the opposition the chance to buy free kicks.

Except for dier who I thought was poor I think the rest of the team can hold their heads high.
Dele needs bitch slapped.
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It was clearly a goal kick on the first viewing, the ball changes direction again after Toby's tackle.

The foul not given on Dele was far more of a foul than many that the ref gave them when we hardly brushed them and they fell to the ground. The defender goes right through Dele. No wonder he reacted.

Agree with you about Dier and the rest of the team.
 
braineclipse said:
Either that or Winks and Dembele. Or Winks and Dier. Or Alli and Eriksen box to box with Wanyama or Dier holding as a lone DM.

Just about anything that gets more creativity and passing tempo into our central midfield would make me quite happy at this point.
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It's a tough one, isn't it? I agree that we would be improved with a passer in central midfield but the players in those positions are difficult to drop.

I think that Poch has shown this season that he is a manager who picks his 11 best available players and then a formation to fit them in. I suspect that we will have to wait for either Dembele or Wanyama to be out of the side before we will see a switch like that.
 
braineclipse said:
I would much rather he broke his habit of starting a central midfield with close to zero ability to up our passing tempo.

Start the same midfield this weekend and most likely Stoke will have a central midfield capable of higher tempo passing than our midfield. fudging Stoke!
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Who specifically don't you want Poch to start against Stoke? I only ask because last time we played Stoke we played Dier and Wanyama in midfield and won 0:4
 
90291Spur said:
Lest we all forget that we are (for the third season in a row) the youngest squad in the league with the sixth highest wage bill. I know tonight was against Gent, my comment is about the league only.
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Both points are right, but we are still showing ourselves to be mentally not up to it in the big games. I wonder how much of an effect, as young lads, the end of last season - and the England debacle in the summer - has had on Kane, Alli and Dier.


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glorygloryeze said:
To say the game was lost because of Alli is silly imo; it's almost like people have forgotten we were 1-1 when Dele was on the pitch; who is to say we wouldn't have continued being wasteful up front and suicidal at the back with 11 men?
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Do you not think we would have won that easily with an extra man considering the dominance we had over them with just 10?
The sending off was the key moment IMO.
 
"Tottenham fluff their lines against Gent and head for Europa League exit

It was a night that will be remembered for a shocking red-card tackle from Dele Alli which forced Tottenham to play for 51 minutes with 10 men. Or how about the Harry Kane own goal that had previously transported them from a position of strength to one of vulnerability?

Then, there was the most stirring of fightbacks and when Victor Wanyama made the score 2-1 to Tottenham on the night, there appeared set to be only one winner from a rip-roaring Europa League last-32 tie. Wrong. It was Gent who found the knockout punch on the counter-attack through the substitute Jérémy Perbet – the goalscorer from the first-leg – and Tottenham were left with nothing more than regrets.​

There was no other way to dress it up. A team of Tottenham’s quality and ambition have to be able to dispose of opposition that sit eighth in the Belgian league and who entered this tie on a run of three wins in 12 matches in all competitions. It has often been said that this team and its manager, Mauricio Pochettino, need a trophy. It will not come in this competition. He wanted an exorcism of sorts here. The starting line-up was as strong as he could have picked. There had been no trace of any lukewarm feelings towards the competition from Pochettino, which he has voiced in previous seasons."

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/feb/23/tottenham-hotspur-gent-europa-league-match-report
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glasgowspur said:
That game was on one player Dele, end of.

Blaming the ref the worst kind head in the sand stupidity.

It took multiple replays and several minutes for the tv to pick out that it wasn't a corner, what chance has the ref.

Dele tried to buy a free-kick and the ref doesn't buy it. He then tried to maim a player. That's a red card all day fudging long.

We insist on giving the opposition the chance to buy free kicks.

Except for dier who I thought was poor I think the rest of the team can hold their heads high.
Dele needs bitch slapped.
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It would be dangerous (relatively speaking) to put that on the ref, he merely exacerbated problems of our own making.

I wouldn't put it all on Alli though, it was a horrific tackle and the red was warranted, but we still had enough red zone possession to get the job done with 10, we were incredibly profligate.

It wouldn't have been a corner had Wanyama and Dier dealt with the original break competently.
 
Rorschach said:
Do you not think we would have won that easily with an extra man considering the dominance we had over them with just 10?
The sending off was the key moment IMO.
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Were we even leading by then? Oh and what was the result last week?
If when he went off we were 2-3 goals up in the game/tie then maybe that can be said...but were NOT.

The sending off was a key moment agreed, but so were our c0ck-ups at the back and in front of goal
 
milo said:
It's a tough one, isn't it? I agree that we would be improved with a passer in central midfield but the players in those positions are difficult to drop.

I think that Poch has shown this season that he is a manager who picks his 11 best available players and then a formation to fit them in. I suspect that we will have to wait for either Dembele or Wanyama to be out of the side before we will see a switch like that.
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I don't see why dropping one of them would be so difficult. But I realize that Winks is both young and inexperienced.
DubaiSpur said:
Ah. Okay, although I disagree - I felt Dembele controlled the game about as well as a better passer (such as Winks) would have done.
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Controlling the game, sure. I guess I rate passing tempo higher than most posters on here and that partly explains the difference on views. That to me is quite different to controlling the game.
 
Benny_Lad said:
However well we played, I'm confident we'd have got the job done at WHL. The evidence is becoming more damning all the time regarding Wembley.

I'm not looking forward to Premier League games there next year.
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I don't see any evidence that that is the case, we've been dogbrick in loads of stadiums this season, Wembley is one on a long list.
 
Also have to say, the record at Wembley is very worrying. 1 win, 1 draw and 2 losses. Not great.
 
The match stats say 25 attempts on their goal with 3 on target..
The 3 on target includes our two goals.. :eek:
 
braineclipse said:
Controlling the game, sure. I guess I rate passing tempo higher than most posters on here and that partly explains the difference on views. That to me is quite different to controlling the game.
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The thing is, Poch's stated style doesn't really allow for a passing 'tempo' to be maintained, as such - vertical passes are the order of the day, attacks are always to be looked for immediately after transitions, the ball must cover as much space as possible in as little time as possible, and the men capable of playing accurate long passes must be allowed to do so to spark attacks off.

For us, we're in a tricky situation - our best long passer is not Winks, not Dembele, not Wanyama, not Eriksen...but Toby. Jan isn't bad at them either. So I think, to an extent, it's natural to see the midfield being bypassed a bit, and equally natural to see us struggle to control the tempo of a game.
 
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