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****OMT Tottenham Hotspur vs Fulham **** Saturday 19th April 2014 12:45

Hotshot-Tottenham said:
Yep, it's about balance.

It's not as simple as DM = necessarily defensive set up.
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No its about playing a specialist in an area were you now need a generalist.
You used to be able to get away with playing a poacher up front, but now strikers need to be able to much much more and add to the team.

And now in the midfield you can no longer afford to play a dm specialist tackler. Your midfielder needs to be able to add much more to the team.
The day of the Makelele is long gone.
 
Modric THFC said:
How can madrid get away with a midfield trio of alonso, modric and isco yet all teams need have to have a tackler who cant pass "as a platform"
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I don't know much about Isco but clearly Modric and Alonso are world class.

Don't underestimate the defensive shift that Modric does, or at least certainly did for us.

Being able to pass is about having options and movement as well as some ability to make the pass itself.
 
Modric THFC said:
How can madrid get away with a midfield trio of alonso, modric and isco yet all teams need have to have a tackler who cant pass "as a platform"
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i tend to agree with a lot of your posts but i think your wrong on this one.

what have alonso, modric and isco got to do with our central midfield pair of chadli and paulinho?

i reckon that 99% of all managers in the wrold, regardless of experience, level would not field chadli and paulinho as a midfield two. if madrid had to choose between sandro and chadli as a central midfielder, i think i know who they would take.

if we played something resembling this line up against half sensible opposition we would get absolutely massacred. lets see whow it turns out today. last week a nervous west brom went into their cages and let us soff the hook. i expect a far braver showing from a felix magath side in desperate need of the three points.
 
AuroRaman said:
Because they have Modric, Alonso and Isco as a midfield trio
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:lol:

Alonso pretty much plays as an anchor anyway, just because he has a superb passing range doesn't mean he's not primarily deployed as a DM. Modric and Isco are probably more adept at winning the ball back than either Paulinho and Chadli too.
 
Modric THFC said:
Oh come on how many times have we seen Sandro playing a two man midfield and he cant help him but push right up when the opposition has the ball leaving a huge gap behind him for them to thread a pass through. He does it all the time. It gets worse when you pick up on it and notice him do it all the time.
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He does that rarely and i'm sure he does that based on the instruction from the manager. It's clear as day he can hold his position exceptionally to me.
 
Modric THFC said:
No its about playing a specialist in an area were you now need a generalist.
You used to be able to get away with playing a poacher up front, but now strikers need to be able to much much more and add to the team.

And now in the midfield you can no longer afford to play a dm specialist tackler. Your midfielder needs to be able to add much more to the team.
The day of the Makelele is long gone.
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True enough, but if we don't have one of sufficient quality?

The nearest we have to a Modric at the mo is Tom Carroll. The nearest to a Carrick is Bentaleb.

Both could be valuable players but they're a little way off just yet.
 
Modric THFC said:
No its about playing a specialist in an area were you now need a generalist.
You used to be able to get away with playing a poacher up front, but now strikers need to be able to much much more and add to the team.

And now in the midfield you can no longer afford to play a dm specialist tackler. Your midfielder needs to be able to add much more to the team.
The day of the Makelele is long gone.
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I think you can be successful with either approach. Madrid proved it with their galactic or project mk1 with makalele and co. Milan, Barca etc proved the opposite.

I agree with the sentiment of what your saying, but hugely disagree on the limitations you put on Sandro's ability. I do believe it's the teams responsibility to retrieve the ball and to attack together too. But Sandro can be a hugely influential player for us.

Also we are not playing in a way that we can afford to leave out specialists, because we are a team of individual parts as opposed to a whole.
 
Rossi22 said:
:lol:

Alonso pretty much plays as an anchor anyway, just because he has a superb passing range doesn't mean he's not primarily deployed as a DM. Modric and Isco are probably more adept at winning the ball back than either Paulinho and Chadli too.
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I don't agree with Modric_THFC on this but it quite clear that he doesn't mind a defensive minded player in the team but he feels they should add far more than just being a destructive presence. Clearly, Alonso falls into that category, he has a better passing range than the majority of midfielders. His view is that Sandro can neither pass the ball well nor hold his position well.
 
I feel like we're playing against less former players today than we usually do against Fulham. Excellent.
 
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