*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Ipswich Town FC ***

[Muttley]

Getting into tinfoil hat territory mate. Refs make mistakes, they’re human and it’ll keep happening no matter how many clubs release statements to protest.

Yeah, I've always been tolerant to human error. Goes with the game. The point of introducing tech was to help the officials with that so it doesn't impact football so much. It was with best intent that they got a leg up by having tech alongside them.

The problem is they don't want to use tech to help apply the laws. They are on another agenda and I would love to shake Webb's team to the core to get them back to where they need to be. They would be the ones wearing tin hats.

 

[Muttley]

Just watched the game.
If sons challenge in the centre circle on 10 mins is a foul then that challenge on danso is a pen.
You can make mistakes but there is no excuse for a lack of consistency.

Johnson second is not a tap in, that's a fine finish.

Archie and Bergvall, that's why you watch football.

Spence is just phenomenal.

Spence is phenomenal, but.......

I've only watched the first half so far. It's so abundantly clear to me that we shouldn't be winning 2-1. Spence's side of the pitch is getting slaughtered by a relegation team.

In the first minute of the game, the inverted full-back nonsense almost led to going a goal down immediately. I'm trying my best to understand the rationale why you would have a set of players in those positions and then get battered down the wings. I'm struggling with it.

 

[glasgowspur]

Spence is phenomenal, but.......

I've only watched the first half so far. It's so abundantly clear to me that we shouldn't be winning 2-1. Spence's side of the pitch is getting slaughtered by a relegation team.

In the first minute of the game, the inverted full-back nonsense almost led to going a goal down immediately. I'm trying my best to understand the rationale why you would have a set of players in those positions and then get battered down the wings. I'm struggling with it.

And yet our first goal came from Ipswich trying to switch play to that side.
Once archie figured delap out in the first 15 mins Vic barely had a save to make.

 

[Muttley]

And yet our first goal came from Ipswich trying to switch play to that side.
Once archie figured delap out in the first 15 mins Vic barely had a save to make.

It's actually not quite what you said. The first goal was just an orthodox ball along the ground from Phillips on the right half way line to Delap who was in a central area in between Bents and Gray. Spence was out of the game defensively on the half way line and had Delap got it, that right back area was exposed with Kulu in a foot race with Clarke as the proxy RB. It wasn't quite the right pass and Gray intervened and did the rest working with out forwards Son and Johnson. Great ball actually from Archie.

Where you are definitely right is that something happened tactically in the game that made us tighter as the game progressed. Getting hold of Delap was part of it. I think them losing that player to injury played in our favour as well. There were probably a few things that swung it back in our favour.

Personally, I just don't want to see us starting games this way. I think the guys should play more orthodox positions until they've got their rhythm. Definitely not the first time we've been talking about how we should have conceded 2 or 3 in the early exchanges of games. We've often conceded the first goal. Ange does need to sort this out.

 

[glasgowspur]

It's actually not quite what you said. The first goal was just an orthodox ball along the ground from Phillips on the right half way line to Delap who was in a central area in between Bents and Gray. Spence was out of the game defensively on the half way line and had Delap got it, that right back area was exposed with Kulu in a foot race with Clarke as the proxy RB. It wasn't quite the right pass and Gray intervened and did the rest working with out forwards Son and Johnson. Great ball actually from Archie.

Where you are definitely right is that something happened tactically in the game that made us tighter as the game progressed. Getting hold of Delap was part of it. I think them losing that player to injury played in our favour as well. There were probably a few things that swung it back in our favour.

Personally, I just don't want to see us starting games this way. I think the guys should play more orthodox positions until they've got their rhythm. Definitely not the first time we've been talking about how we should have conceded 2 or 3 in the early exchanges of games. We've often conceded the first goal. Ange does need to sort this out.

Not sure it was tactical, I think grey just realised that delap isn't so effective if you don't get into battles with him.
Had to laugh at the calls for delap to get into the England side, he is not getting away with that anywhere else but English football, he'd constantly giving away freekicks at international football.

 

[braineclipse]

Spence is phenomenal, but.......

I've only watched the first half so far. It's so abundantly clear to me that we shouldn't be winning 2-1. Spence's side of the pitch is getting slaughtered by a relegation team.

In the first minute of the game, the inverted full-back nonsense almost led to going a goal down immediately. I'm trying my best to understand the rationale why you would have a set of players in those positions and then get battered down the wings. I'm struggling with it.

Very little to do with "inverted full back nonsense" (first minute chance). We're pressing (gegenpressing) high and the press gets bypassed. Spence being deeper and wide would just leave an even bigger gap in the middle and we'd be in trouble anyway.

Tell me about a system that doesn't leave a team exposed when a high press gets bypassed like that.

Our high press in that situation isn't great imo. That's where there's room for improvement for me.

 

[alekaras]

Where are you getting those numbers? I've looked through 6 different live score services, and all of them lists 16/17 shots, 5 on target and 4 chances. A 1 in 4 conversion is average. Their xG was 0.96

Fotmob has it at 1.15. And considering BJ's goal was a tap-in worth 0.89 xG the rest of our xG was less than 1. Overall I think the result flatters us. 4-1 implies a thrashing, but we weren't that much better. Only marginally. And against Ipswich, at that.

 

[alekaras]

The league or even a decent position is gone, all I want is for Ange to be replaced in the summer. I'll take whatever results is required.

I would agree, if we have identified a suitable candidate. But if it's slim pickings, giving Ange one more season with a more robust squad might not be the worst option. Maybe it'll take him 3 years in the PL instead of 2. If he even slightly fixes the defensive issues we'll be a top team. I mean we're the 2nd highest scoring team as is and have the 3rd best goal difference. We're really not a 12th place team, just have been very unlucky in the league.

 

[Kandi1977]

Fotmob has it at 1.15. And considering BJ's goal was a tap-in worth 0.89 xG the rest of our xG was less than 1. Overall I think the result flatters us. 4-1 implies a thrashing, but we weren't that much better. Only marginally. And against Ipswich, at that.

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We have more quality players than them, and quality players make the difference, and regularly outperform the actual xG. 4 goals was maybe 1 goal more than we "deserved", but to imply that we were lucky to win, as some did, is utter nonsense.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

We need better logarithm players

 

[parklane1]

We need better logarithm players

Dont you start, enough stat junkies on here as it is. .