If someone's arguing that the extra games are good to get games in to fringe players then the results/eventually getting knocked out isn't really relevant to that, is it?
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If someone's arguing that the extra games are good to get games in to fringe players then the results/eventually getting knocked out isn't really relevant to that, is it?
Chrissivad
Dean Austin
It would also help if we didn't keep playing the same set of players that put in poor performances almost every time.
tommysvr
Vedran Corluka
So the plan is to qualify for a tournament for some glorified friendlies? Even with fringe players, the goal is surely to win?
As I said above, I think its a fine balance between whether its worth it or not. The fringe or young player argument is one of a few arguments for it, though not compelling on its own
However our problem in the EL/ECL in recent years has been that our system/tactics (if you can call them that) was reliant on a couple world class players up top.
If you have a more sensible way of playing which isn't as reliant on a couple specific players then you can switch players in and out more easily.
Fine call re the merits of it as I say....
tommysvr
Vedran Corluka
You’re probably right about the system, but it just seems extremely arrogant to expect to be able to use the EL/ECL in this way when the evidence over the past 15 years, even stretching back into the UEFA Cup, shows that it doesn’t work that way.
I think you can for the group stages, if you have an engrained system. I wouldnt advocate resting the entire first 11, but you could leave out completely say half the team who would start the following league game and bring in Bisouma, Kulu, Danjuma, Sarr etc alongside the other half of the first choice 11.
Either way, we're unlikely to throw games to avoid the EL or ECL so will be itneresting to see the new guy's approach!
i didn't say that was the plan but it was the argument you were responding to
We won some friendly tournament in the US or somewhere within the last few years.
If you're setting your bar that low, we have won tournaments.
Chrissivad
Dean Austin
Kandi1977
Garth Crooks
Roma won it last year, with the manager that has won a trophy everywhere, except with us... And they're on course to win it again this year. Juventus, Sevilla, Bayer Leverkusen and Roma Left.
You know, 3rd tier brick clubs that have no history. The backyard of Europe. Well beneath our level, because we are such giants that collect other trophies with ease.
We should do everything we can to not play in a European competition, so we screw up our coefficiency points, so we get a really bad draw when we're back in the CL.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
TBF three of those clubs are only in if for being knocked out early in the CL.
Kandi1977
Garth Crooks
So?
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Well it was not like it was by design or the choice of those superpowers like it was originally written
Kandi1977
Garth Crooks
So it was the choice of the superpower that is Spurs, to limp out to a bang average AC Milan side in the CL?
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
No but that was not the original point
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Tend to agree with you over this, expecting us to keep throwing cup games EL/ECL, FA CUP, LEAGUE CUP by throwing a team together and expecting to win has shown it does NOT WORK.Of course changes should be made but not AD/HOC as our history shows it does not work.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
I agree here, its a comp thats too long and badly planned, goes on too long and usually has a detrimental impact on the sides that play in it. The reward is obviously to win it but this idea that because its lesser and if you throw your eggs in that basket you some how win it, I don't buy it anymore than I do any other knock out comp.
So why would you count a tournament invented for the also rans that weren't good enough to play the goat herders in the EL?
Chrissivad
Dean Austin
Still an official tournament, and while I don't like the format I hold it higher than pre season friendlies.