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[glorygloryeze]

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Wow..i was at that game..and i'm going to the Villa game this weekend with the same non-Spurs supporting mate...maybe a good omen??

 

[NLS]

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You haven’t specified how. The question was, what should he have done differently to ensure that happening?



Firstly, I’ll have a case of whatever you’re drinking, please, if you think we’re spending hundreds of millions on players anytime soon!

Secondly, we had a manager who apparently played ‘the Tottenham way’ last season. We finished 17th.

As regards the money, there was talk of £150 million(hopefully) to spend plus the £35m for Johnson (again hopefully that will go in the pot) but can we trust Frank's choices if he might not be here by the end if the season....

I dont think Ange played the Tottenham way. He played the Ange way and some elements of it were great... Ardlies tried to play the Ardiles way but eventually failed...

Billy Nic, Keith Burkinshaw and Poch played the Tottenham way ....

 

[tommysvr]

Tottenham Hotspur - better than the England cricket team.

Where does that leave us Aussies?

 

[glorygloryeze]

I don't get why some players are run into the ground when there are some alternatives.

Why are we constantly playing Porro....do we want him to get injured? Ok, yes we don't have Udogie, but we have Danso and Dragusin is back now.
Why not play Spence on the right, give Porro a breather and maybe play Danso alongside Romero and put VDV on the left.

Or even drop VDV for Danso etc etc.

Some opportunities do exist for some rotation. Sigh

 

[DeanoAustin]

I don't get why some players are run into the ground when there are some alternatives.

Why are we constantly playing Porro....do we want him to get injured? Ok, yes we don't have Udogie, but we have Danso and Dragusin is back now.
Why not play Spence on the right, give Porro a breather and maybe play Danso alongside Romero and put VDV on the left.

Or even drop VDV for Danso etc etc.

Some opportunities do exist for some rotation. Sigh

You have to imagine that the coaching staff and medical staff know where Porro is physically and his risk of injury/fatigue is low. I admire him for often he plays - when it seemed like everyone was pulling hamstrings last season, he was playing pretty much every week and spending a lot of it sprinting back to his own goal.

On stuff like that, you have to trust the club to manage the player and, to be fair, he rarely gets injured.

 

[lurker of old]

But the squad imo is significantly stronger.
When we have yet to see our top 3 offensive players this season, and Kudos is injured, how good the squad is, is irrelevant. What counts is the players who are available to play.........maybe we were unlucky last night, that I can take, but what I hate are the "hit seekers" saying the answer is to sack the manager.

 

[SirPercyHotspur]

Déjà vu,

https://www.sportscasting.com/uk/news/ange-postecoglou-tottenham-fans-boss-bournemouth/

 

[stratnumberone]

Where does that leave us Aussies?

You’d probably beat Spurs

 

[SirPercyHotspur]

Such a cheek the away fans complaining , what have they got to complain about they are only paying £30 a ticket.

 

[braineclipse]

I agree that this time last year the injury situation was the worst I've ever known as a Spurs fan.

The problem is that Ange was getting a total forgiveness from so many fans because of the injuries and fatigue. Because Frank has a couple more "squad fillers", he is getting absolutely none.

Here is my first team

Vic
Porro, Romero, VDV, Udogie
Palhinha, Gray
Kudus, Madds, Kulu
Solanke

Across the 90 mins, I would have Kinsky, Danso, Spence, Sarr, Bergval, Xavi, Tel, Odobert, Richi, Muani to change things. 3 or 4 of them are game changers.

I really do hope that fans can see that Frank is completely hamstrung with current choices. Whether it is as bad as Ange had it is debatable, but they do have to admit that it is a MAJOR reason why we find ourselves where we are.

It's the double standard that hits me the most.

I don’t see it as Ange getting total forgiveness and Frank getting none from many fans. On here at least injuries are brought up fairly regularly and Ange got a lot of "needs to find solutions" last season.

There probably is a double standard (or two) though. Those who have a strong preference for a more attacking style will be more likely to be lenient to Ange and less so towards Frank. And vice versa for those who either have a preference for a more "pragmatic" approach or for various reasons like one over the other.

 

[braineclipse]

I don't get why some players are run into the ground when there are some alternatives.

Why are we constantly playing Porro....do we want him to get injured? Ok, yes we don't have Udogie, but we have Danso and Dragusin is back now.
Why not play Spence on the right, give Porro a breather and maybe play Danso alongside Romero and put VDV on the left.

Or even drop VDV for Danso etc etc.

Some opportunities do exist for some rotation. Sigh

Happens all the time. Managers are desperate for the next result, they need the win. Even though some rotation would probably be better overall over a bit of time it's always the next game and the need for a result in that game.

Porro somehow seems to never get injured (knock on wood), but his performances do drop.

 

[Raziel]

richy had a free header - had he put that in we would have won.
get a better striker we will win half of our games.

also that semenyo's goal - him and richy were the free men down that wing. its the last minutes of the game, do your best to prevent a shot.

If you concede 3 against brick clubs you are going to lose more than you win/draw regardless of who your striker is

 

[parj]

A question.

What do you think another manager could have done differently last night?

The only thing for me tactically was get Danso on for Spence and move VDV to LB. That would have widened our attack and asked Bournemouth a couple of different questions.

I think everyone else pretty much played with their maximum effort and at ‘their level’ ability wise.

We saw individual mistakes for all 3 goals. I’m certain Frank is covering off closing down and shaping attackers on to their weaker foot, so it must be player execution.

The attackers fumble A LOT. Plenty of good openings are either messed up or worked back to the defence. That is down to ability and execution imo.

For me, it's leave the back 4, Palinha OR Bents as the CDM. Bergvall and Simon's to complete the midfield three .... Both will press and put a tackle in. I would even think Gray ahead of Bents and Palinha.

Up top, Tel, Odobert and Richy

Gives us energy, gives us players confident on the ball, and then we play our way out. I might just be a dreamer, but for me, we need some energy and confidence on the ball.

The most ridiculous thing for me was the Palinha goal... How can he do that but struggles with forward passes? If he can do forward passes, then why isn't he.

 

[braineclipse]

If you concede 3 against brick clubs you are going to lose more than you win/draw regardless of who your striker is

Yeah. We scored twice, should have been enough. xG of 1.63. We even scored from open play, first one in 6 games if I heard correctly. Richarlison missed that one, but has been scoring at a good rate.

I do think we were a bit unlucky. They were clinical, we weren't. This and the Sunderland game two of very few games this season where we probably deserved more than we got.

Thought we did well enough to fight back after going behind. But we, again, struggled with their pressing. And part of us doing well was probably them not being able to press as much as they did in the first game against us. Had they done that we would have looked way worse imo.

 

[Raziel]

A question.

What do you think another manager could have done differently last night?

The only thing for me tactically was get Danso on for Spence and move VDV to LB. That would have widened our attack and asked Bournemouth a couple of different questions.

I think everyone else pretty much played with their maximum effort and at ‘their level’ ability wise.

We saw individual mistakes for all 3 goals. I’m certain Frank is covering off closing down and shaping attackers on to their weaker foot, so it must be player execution.

The attackers fumble A LOT. Plenty of good openings are either messed up or worked back to the defence. That is down to ability and execution imo.

So attempt at a serious answer, another manager would have

- Realized Bournemouth run a lot, we need to match their press, have a high tempo (Bentancur and Palhinha don't do that), possible lineup could have been bring Danso in (would have done better for headers), move VDV left, Spence right, give Porro a rest, play one of Bentancur/Paulhinha, add Gray for legs, rest were ok.
- Sub RKM at HT, wasn't having a good game, if you hadn't done my first part, also take off one of the double pivot
- *this piece wins you the game* Instruct the CB's not to sit so deep (not six yard box), instruct the midfield to cover the zone 14 (area at top of box) and pressure any attacker/midfielders there (no free shots). We have conceded the most goals from outside the box in PL this season because Frank thinks it's low percentage and is ok to allow.
- Play faster, we have better quality players, the reason it doesn't show is because we play so fudging slow, it allows even dross opposition time to adjust.
- Get our subs on first, don't react, play to set the position
- General better coaching on patterns, movement, attacking/transition plays.

 

[Muttley]

I don’t see it as Ange getting total forgiveness and Frank getting none from many fans. On here at least injuries are brought up fairly regularly and Ange got a lot of "needs to find solutions" last season.

There probably is a double standard (or two) though. Those who have a strong preference for a more attacking style will be more likely to be lenient to Ange and less so towards Frank. And vice versa for those who either have a preference for a more "pragmatic" approach or for various reasons like one over the other.

No worries. I always see your posts as balanced as you know.

My view is always that I'd love my club to play massively entertaining football but not as the be all and end all. I've spoken a lot about the disease in this club in the goals against column. You don't pick up a club who has conceded over 60 goals in the league for 3 seasons and not make that stat the number 1 priority for the entire football club. The club's history just doesn't come into it. You get down to basics.

Last night we opened up our footballing style and conceded 3 goals. Nobody has even mentioned it. That comes with the territory of being a Spurs fan. I would have taken a scrappy 0-0. A clean sheet and an away point. I feel like the absolute minority around here, believing that turning losses into draws, and draws into wins is the right way to run a football club.

 

[Eriktheviking]

If you concede 3 against brick clubs you are going to lose more than you win/draw regardless of who your striker is

But Frank wasn’t allowed to ensure defensive soundness; the fans didn’t like it as it was boring and dull.

 

[Raziel]

I don't get why some players are run into the ground when there are some alternatives.

Why are we constantly playing Porro....do we want him to get injured? Ok, yes we don't have Udogie, but we have Danso and Dragusin is back now.
Why not play Spence on the right, give Porro a breather and maybe play Danso alongside Romero and put VDV on the left.

Or even drop VDV for Danso etc etc.

Some opportunities do exist for some rotation. Sigh

You have to imagine that the coaching staff and medical staff know where Porro is physically and his risk of injury/fatigue is low. I admire him for often he plays - when it seemed like everyone was pulling hamstrings last season, he was playing pretty much every week and spending a lot of it sprinting back to his own goal.

On stuff like that, you have to trust the club to manage the player and, to be fair, he rarely gets injured.

Zero chance Porro hasn't played already with at least a minor knock, zero chance his numbers aren't showing fatigue.

Manager (as all managers can be) is fudging stubborn, just like Tel has been exiled up until last 2 games (even though every time we saw him play there were flashes of something, same brick Ange did with Spence), we now have both Danso & Dragusin back, we could try VDV left (plays regularly there for country), and give Spence some RB time, Porro a rest.

All of that is manager calls, if we are winning, they can say they are getting it right, if you keep fudging it up, it's on you, which is why he's in trouble.

 

[braineclipse]

So attempt at a serious answer, another manager would have

- Realized Bournemouth run a lot, we need to match their press, have a high tempo (Bentancur and Palhinha don't do that), possible lineup could have been bring Danso in (would have done better for headers), move VDV left, Spence right, give Porro a rest, play one of Bentancur/Paulhinha, add Gray for legs, rest were ok.
- Sub RKM at HT, wasn't having a good game, if you hadn't done my first part, also take off one of the double pivot
- *this piece wins you the game* Instruct the CB's not to sit so deep (not six yard box), instruct the midfield to cover the zone 14 (area at top of box) and pressure any attacker/midfielders there (no free shots). We have conceded the most goals from outside the box in PL this season because Frank thinks it's low percentage and is ok to allow.
- Play faster, we have better quality players, the reason it doesn't show is because we play so fudging slow, it allows even dross opposition time to adjust.
- Get our subs on first, don't react, play to set the position
- General better coaching on patterns, movement, attacking/transition plays.

We, very occasionally, from what I saw changed the buildup shape. Bentancur dropping into the back line, Spence inverting.

I doubt there is a buildup shape that will be sufficient to compensate fully for our shortcomings. But most of the time when teams to press us really high and aggressive we're essentially hanging on until they run out of steam. We have no answer. Other than on those occasions mentioned above I struggle to see what we're even trying to do.

 

[Raziel]

I don't get why some players are run into the ground when there are some alternatives.

Why are we constantly playing Porro....do we want him to get injured? Ok, yes we don't have Udogie, but we have Danso and Dragusin is back now.
Why not play Spence on the right, give Porro a breather and maybe play Danso alongside Romero and put VDV on the left.

Or even drop VDV for Danso etc etc.

Some opportunities do exist for some rotation. Sigh

You have to imagine that the coaching staff and medical staff know where Porro is physically and his risk of injury/fatigue is low. I admire him for often he plays - when it seemed like everyone was pulling hamstrings last season, he was playing pretty much every week and spending a lot of it sprinting back to his own goal.

On stuff like that, you have to trust the club to manage the player and, to be fair, he rarely gets injured.

Zero chance Porro hasn't played already with at least a minor knock, zero chance his numbers aren't showing fatigue.

Manager (as all managers can be) is fudging stubborn, just like Tel has been exiled up until last 2 games (even though every time we saw him play there were flashes of something, same brick Ange did with Spence), we now have both Danso & Dragusin back, we could try VDV left (plays regularly there for country), and give Spence some RB time, Porro a rest.

All of that is manager calls, if we are winning, they can say they are getting it right, if you keep fudging it up, it's on you, which is why he's in trouble.