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~ OMT ~ TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR FC v Liverpool FC ~ THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL ~ 2019 ~

Man of the match

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Spur of the moment said:
That and defenders contorting themselves to ensure their arms are not 'in an unnatural position,' whatever that is.

It's the most ridiculous rule change ever. Given handball is always going to cause controversy, wtf was wrong with hand-to-ball vs ball-to-hand?
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And/or allowing an interpretation of intention to gain an advantage?
 
90291Spur said:
And/or allowing an interpretation of intention to gain an advantage?
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I assume because interpretation allows for both variation between referees and variation in how they treat different teams.

I'm not sure this I like to bathe in custard, but taking the interpretation away from a group who have shown themselves incapable of working to a standard is the right thing to do.
 
scaramanga said:
I assume because interpretation allows for both variation between referees and variation in how they treat different teams.

I'm not sure this I like to bathe in custard, but taking the interpretation away from a group who have shown themselves incapable of working to a standard is the right thing to do.
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In that case perhaps the ‘authorities’ need to release images/diagrams of what constitutes a handball or other infraction. Not only to the clubs but for the public (and Moussa Sissoko). For example, someone lumps the ball at your head and your reflexes bring your hands up to protect your gorgeous visage. Handball or no?

If the brief is to clarify and take interpretation out all these (and many other) issues need to be made clear.
 
The facts remain that the side chosen to start created enough openings but simply weren’t clinical enough. That much is beyond discussion, we all saw it. Moura also had a very good chance when he came on which he couldn’t take FWIW.
 
Yeah I did think then it was not to be because Moura’s Chance was a very good chance- we score then and I think we would have gone on to win it.

But, like the decimation in the mcu, we have to move on and look to the future and remember the Qf and Sf games that will live long in my memory as epic football nights. Still can’t stop smiling when I see that 3rd Moura goal go in.
 
our fans did not look up for it in this game as much as the scousers!..did they!
and those hanckerchief flags of ours were embarrassing ,while they had huge flags flares..
it would be interesting to hear from someone who was there..
maybe we used up all our inspiration in the semi..
 
We are Tottenham said:
our fans did not look up for it in this game as much as the scousers!..did they!
and those hanckerchief flags of ours were embarrassing ,while they had huge flags flares..
it would be interesting to hear from someone who was there..
maybe we used up all our inspiration in the semi..
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Well you can here from me then mate.
As one of those who incurred the time, travel and expense of making the trip I can assure you that your view is a pile of gonads. How could 16k fans making a trip across Europe for a game not be up for it?

A handful of bigger flags in the Liverpool end and some illegal flares meant that their fans wanted it more?

Despite the shock of the early penalty, we sang all game and heard very little from their end, despite them leading a CL final for the whole game.

Sorry that the Spurs flags were embarrassing for you (maybe you missed the huge Spurs banner that ran the full width of our end?) Next time we could go full scouse and attack their team bus to show just what passionate fans we are.
 
Aldo said:
Well you can here from me then mate.
As one of those who incurred the time, travel and expense of making the trip I can assure you that your view is a pile of gonad*s. How could 16k fans making a trip across Europe for a game not be up for it?

A handful of bigger flags in the Liverpool end and some illegal flares meant that their fans wanted it more?

Despite the shock of the early penalty, we sang all game and heard very little from their end, despite them leading a CL final for the whole game.

Sorry that the Spurs flags were embarrassing for you (maybe you missed the huge Spurs banner that ran the full width of our end?) Next time we could go full scouse and attack their team bus to show just what passionate fans we are.
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Hi mate, good to know you were up for it..its hard to judge if your not there. I have allways emphasised how important it is for the fans to get behind the team..and generally our fans are better away from home..didn,t see the big banner though. Yes I did hear our fans but for me I was bloody well watching via youtube on the TV and the reception was terrible , players ghosting all over the pitch and I don't think the sound was all that ...made for a great evening all in all.
The early goal was deflating and Liverpool wasting time on throw ins and their fans booing when we had the ball..Disapointing I know ..the ref killed the game by giving the penalty.
anyway cheers. They were scared of us but we had to try and score when we didn't really deserve to be behind and Liverpool history has allway's been about good defense when ther'e in front. used to be Liverpool playing for offside offside and passing back to the keeper. I really hope we can raise the sound level this season in the new stadium...It definitely helps....
 
We are Tottenham said:
Hi mate, good to know you were up for it..its hard to judge if your not there. I have allways emphasised how important it is for the fans to get behind the team..and generally our fans are better away from home..didn,t see the big banner though. Yes I did hear our fans but for me I was bloody well watching via youtube on the TV and the reception was terrible , players ghosting all over the pitch and I don't think the sound was all that ...made for a great evening all in all.
The early goal was deflating and Liverpool wasting time on throw ins and their fans booing when we had the ball..Disapointing I know ..the ref killed the game by giving the penalty.
anyway cheers. They were scared of us but we had to try and score when we didn't really deserve to be behind and Liverpool history has allway's been about good defense when ther'e in front. used to be Liverpool playing for offside offside and passing back to the keeper. I really hope we can raise the sound level this season in the new stadium...It definitely helps....
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So, but sound and picture was terrible, but still you slate our fans based on that. Well done!
 
Kandi1977 said:
So, but sound and picture was terrible, but still you slate our fans based on that. Well done!
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yeah it may come across as such but I praise our fans .. i did ask who was there!
I did think the scousers had the upper hand on flags..We dont do flags do we!?
If you asked a neutral what set of fans looked more up for it on the day ..I think they may very well have said liverpool..but I want our fans to be up there with the best. To be honest its remarkable how good our fans are when we hardly have any local fans anymore in Tottenham!
 
90291Spur said:
It won't happen if the ref doesn't give it and VAR doesn't deem it a mistake on the part of the ref.
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They've made a rod for their own backs with how ridiculously inflexible this law is, though. Usually, some grey area is present that refs can use to avoid having to give big calls like that against bigger teams.

There is none here - arm, penalty, unless your arm is essentially taped into either your torso or your back. And attackers *will* start deliberately punting the ball into the arms of opponents - why ignore the 5-10 goals a season that can get you?

I anticipate two things will happen at some point.

Firstly, players will start getting more shoulder, elbow and arm injuries, since it simply isn't natural to put your arms behind your back when falling or going to ground around the box. And having the full weight of your body on your arm, especially extended unnaturally behind your back or straight in front of you, is a recipe for these injuries.

Secondly, there will be a ball hitting an arm in the box against one of the FIFA/UEFA's favorite teams (Madrid, Barca et al), and the ref will be forced to give it, causing uproar. The power of these clubs will then force the utterly stupid rule to be discarded.

Too late for Spurs, of course, but then, it always is - we're the guinea pigs for stupid footballing rules, like being forced to play on the final day after Lasagnagate, missing out on the CL after Chelsea won it and now this.
 
We are Tottenham said:
our fans did not look up for it in this game as much as the scousers!..did they!
and those hanckerchief flags of ours were embarrassing ,while they had huge flags flares..
it would be interesting to hear from someone who was there..
maybe we used up all our inspiration in the semi..
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Must be great to behind these.
 
DubaiSpur said:
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Firstly, players will start getting more shoulder, elbow and arm injuries, since it simply isn't natural to put your arms behind your back when falling or going to ground around the box. And having the full weight of your body on your arm, especially extended unnaturally behind your back or straight in front of you, is a recipe for these injuries.
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The new handball rules (which incidentally didn't apply for the CL final) specifically say "it is not usually an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm ... when a player falls and the hand/arm is between the body and the ground to support the body".
 
jaysea67 said:
The new handball rules (which incidentally didn't apply for the CL final) specifically say "it is not usually an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm ... when a player falls and the hand/arm is between the body and the ground to support the body".
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Doesn't matter - if the player has his hands behind his back when he begins his fall/slide, he will assuredly risk an injury every time he extends his arm to break that fall/slide. Not enough time to properly extend the arm to avoid it.

And the rules apply all the way until the player falls or goes to ground - so he has to keep his arms handcuffed behind his back or in front of him all the way until he starts falling, lest he concede a penalty.

It's a crap rule, which I suspect was made by pompous, self-important macarons who have either never played the game or are old enough and unfit enough that their brains have been turned into shredded cabbage by the passage of time.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Doesn't matter - if the player has his hands behind his back when he begins his fall/slide, he will assuredly risk an injury every time he extends his arm to break that fall/slide. Not enough time to properly extend the arm to avoid it.

And the rules apply all the way until the player falls or goes to ground - so he has to keep his arms handcuffed behind his back or in front of him all the way until he starts falling, lest he concede a penalty.

It's a crap rule, which I suspect was made by pompous, self-important macarons who have either never played the game or are old enough and unfit enough that their brains have been turned into shredded cabbage by the passage of time.
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agree whole heartedly

The penalty scotland ladies conceded vs england was exactly that

The changes to the rules may ether game perfection more and more

VAR on handballs IMO will always make it look like a hand ball rather than a "ball to hand situation" and it will create a cheat mode

Apparently they had the handball rule in Brazil a while back and players did exactly what people are worried about, kicked the ball an their opposition hand
 
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