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Old Guard/Bad Eggs - POLL ADDED

Who do you SELL?

  • Aurier

    Votes: 23 33.8%

  • Davies

    Votes: 39 57.4%

  • Sanchez

    Votes: 31 45.6%

  • Dier

    Votes: 55 80.9%

  • Winks

    Votes: 52 76.5%

  • Sissoko

    Votes: 55 80.9%

  • Lamela

    Votes: 20 29.4%

  • Moura

    Votes: 8 11.8%

  • Dele

    Votes: 32 47.1%
  • Total voters
    68
Trouble is @Bishop i think there was more at play with Pochettino and the downward spiral we went through mostly due to the poor/lack of investment and eventual stagnation of players as opposed to the quality/work raye levels - so whilst you can point back to that time and say same players present i think this time around it's poor management of them. New manager, new ideas and maybe the likes of Winks/Dier/Davies respond?
 
billyiddo said:
Trouble is @Bishop i think there was more at play with Pochettino and the downward spiral we went through mostly due to the poor/lack of investment and eventual stagnation of players as opposed to the quality/work raye levels - so whilst you can point back to that time and say same players present i think this time around it's poor management of them. New manager, new ideas and maybe the likes of Winks/Dier/Davies respond?
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Lol that's a massive maybe. None of the players mentioned have hit any sort of consistent form to warrant a maybe.
 
billyiddo said:
Trouble is @Bishop i think there was more at play with Pochettino and the downward spiral we went through mostly due to the poor/lack of investment and eventual stagnation of players as opposed to the quality/work raye levels - so whilst you can point back to that time and say same players present i think this time around it's poor management of them. New manager, new ideas and maybe the likes of Winks/Dier/Davies respond?
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No the players you specifically mention are not good enough. The management has been pish largely because they needed to be moved on and they haven't been but how many years of failure are you going to give them before we realise they just don't cut it. It like those who still expect something from Lamela, it's 7 years later now it's not happening. How much more evidence do you need to see what's in front of your face? (Not you specifically just generally). They're not even good squad players because the dropoff is ridiculous.

Yes a lot of the issue is underinvestment but that's the point that lack of squad churn has left us stagnant. Now we need to cut off the dead ends and let the new flow through.
 
billyiddo said:
They're good enough to be back ups and not completely written off
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No they're not. Good squad players provide competition. Doherty has been meh after a decent start but he is providing drove and competition for Aurier so yes he is a good squad player the rest are no threat at all.
 
10 of those players who were on the pitch last night ( including the subs) were here under Poch and some of them were a major reason ( downing tools for whatever reason} we sadly had to let Poch go, i never wanted him gone and i still think we should have given him at least to the end of last season before we made any move.
Jose came in and for a while he looked like he had the players picking up those tools and improving their form, sadly that has not lasted and is one of the MAJOR problems we have now once again. We now have to have a major turn over and get rid of players who are either past it or just not doing it anymore. Last night there were players on that pitch who should be ashamed of themselves ( they will not be though) and we need to get rid of them.

No use blaming ALL our problems on the new manager when we have players who for whatever reasons ( and like i say they did so under Poch as well) can not/ will not do it anymore.
 
Bishop said:
No they're not. Good squad players provide competition. Doherty has been meh after a decent start but he is providing drove and competition for Aurier so yes he is a good squad player the rest are no threat at all.
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Atm yes I agree but then the majority dont look much kop either
 
Gazza said:
How do you agree when you initially wrote the opposite?

We have so much fodder in the team its scary.
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Atm our players are playing below themselves, if they weren't then I think some of the ones listed are good enough for rotational/back up purposes.

Every squad has players that veer between good enough/not good enough depending on the overall atmosphere at their club - when things are bad your better players go from 9/10s to 7/10s and your 6/10 steady backups look like Champo players
 
I would let the next manager see if he can get a tune out of them.
Mourinho is a very divisive character IMHO.
 
I'll also add that everyone we have sold in the last couple of years has pretty much disappeared.

Tripps can't even get in the match day squad at the minute ;)
 
I'm seeing a lot of posts today from Spurs fans saying that we have a lot of bad eggs and the same players who downed tools on Poch are doing the same to Jose. Who do people think are the bad eggs?

Personally, I don't think anyone really downed tools on Poch. The squad wasn't refreshed, the players ran out of steam, there were some contract issues but I never looked at any of the lads and thought - "they're acting the c**t now and not playing for him."

With Jose, my belief is that if players aren't at 100%, it's because they've lost faith in the manager and the system rather than it being a case where they've thought "f**k it, I can't be bothered for this fella".

Do people think we have lads that just can't be f**ked?
 
StephenH said:
I would let the next manager see if he can get a tune out of them.
Mourinho is a very divisive character IMHO.
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A lot of the players you are talking about helped get Pooch sacked, there are players here who no longer care for the club or its fans.
 
I think a lot of them are cowards, not bad eggs at all, good guys, nice guys, too nice, not winners, not willing to plumb the depths required to succeed in the modern game.
 
People are making a mistake conflating Pochs demise with what we are seeing now, with Poch things had grown stale with the CL final team, that can hardly be the case with Jose can it?

An influx of new players and a new manager/coaching team - all managers have to deal with players from the previous regime - Redknapp and Poch both had to do so with the sides which failed the managers before them - they succeeded in doing so
 
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billyiddo said:
People are making a mistake conflating Pochs demise with what we are seeing now, with Poch things had grown stale with the CL final team, that can hardly be the case with Jose can it?
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Yeah, I'd assume its different reasons, but it's manifesting itself in the same way.
 
billyiddo said:
People are making a mistake conflating Pochs demise with what we are seeing now, with Poch things had grown stale with the CL final team, that can hardly be the case with Jose can it?
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Wait, the common denominator is the players with the variables being the managers ...
 
DeanoAustin said:
I'm seeing a lot of posts today from Spurs fans saying that we have a lot of bad eggs and the same players who downed tools on Poch are doing the same to Jose. Who do people think are the bad eggs?

Personally, I don't think anyone really downed tools on Poch. The squad wasn't refreshed, the players ran out of steam, there were some contract issues but I never looked at any of the lads and thought - "they're acting the c**t now and not playing for him."

With Jose, my belief is that if players aren't at 400%, it's because they've lost faith in the manager and the system rather than it being a case where they've thought "f**k it, I can't be bothered for this fella".

Do people think we have lads that just can't be f**ked?
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Honestly
I don’t think it’s bad eggs ... it just complacency and comfort
Too long in the same place, making the same journeys suffering the same fate
 
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