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*Official Match Thread* Tottenham Hotspur vs Norwich
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Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Mate, I didnt decry his achievements, however from the Arse game onwards he left the club in complete disarray. He failed to get us CL, cost the club a fortune, and never got in adequate players for the future (nelsen and saha anyone). There was no long term planning in his squad creation, lack of team rotation meant he had many disaffected players and played players patently injured and he left us with a dispirited team. The quality of the football in the last half of the season was dire from the cronic display at the emirates onwards.
i think it is you who has a short memory.
mudshark
Chris Armstrong
There are two ways to look at it: you could say it's a point more than we got from the corresponding home fixtures last season, or you could say drawing your home games and losing away is relegation form. Either way, a considerable amount of work to be done, by the looks of things.
Ganter
Erik Edman
I think they were both pretty much brick..
I dont get Livermore, he is an excellent tackler, has good positioning but he cant dribble or pass for brick.
Defoe is not good enough, never has been. It is infuriating to see him again and again not pass the ball. This contract extension is a joke
Lennon, again and again, why go always on the outside and give a brick pass to the box, he has much more to offer when he gets inside
Bale, grow some balls and play like a man
Sigurðsson, worst game I´ve seen him play in his career
Gallas, too old, tries hard but is lacking
Vertonghen was very decent
Friedel man of the match.
Kyle Walker, looked a world beater last season, cant even run the ball 5 yards
Dembele looked good, happy with that signing
AVB needs to grow a pair and stop starting Defoe and Livermore. Defoe cant link up and Livermore cant pass or move the ball. The gab behind Sigurðsson and the midfield was huge
also, we need to deal with big premierleague strikers, we did not handle Holt and Lukaku ripped us apart against WBA
Mulletperm
Mauricio Taricco
I'd go
---------------- Friedel ---------------
Walker -- Caulker -- Verts -- BAE
--------- Sandro -- Dembele -------
Dempsey ------ Sig -------- Bale
-------------- Adebayor --------------
I agree that we have played some great games the last few seasons, I've been as happy as any other fans of this. But I think we were vulnerable, if Bale will be gone five matches no one can do what he does, then everything falls. What I see in this new system is that it is easier to rotate players and resting players. This hopefully eliminates what happened to the second half of last season. But it does not matter that we do not see things the same way, the most important thing right now is that we give this a little time and do not get too much panic
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Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
If you were not happy with the team's results at the back end of last season, I have no idea how you can be satisfied with what is on offer now. Strange!
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
1 win in 9 before that iirc
Dayo
Chris Armstrong
Yeah, we would never draw/lose at home to Norwich with Harry in charge.
colin fishwick
Reto Ziegler
Re: Bad substitution two weeks in a row
He was always going to be rusty. Has he even played a reserve game? Just a bad cliché substitution . Take off a striker bring on a midfielder to stiffen things up.
Except the midfielder has not played for months and is slow at the best of times. He was a bad substitution as was last weeks. Defoe was more likely to keep the ball, is much more of a goal threat, it is sometimes a good idea to score again, rather than sit back and letb them come at you.
Take Defoes. contribution for the last 10 minutes he was on the pitch and match against Hudds this week , or Jenas last week. There is the answer. Hudd did nothing good at all.
It really is no suprise or fluke that we lost the lead twice. If AVB cannot see that it is very worrying.
He was always going to be rusty. Has he even played a reserve game? Just a bad cliché substitution . Take off a striker bring on a midfielder to stiffen things up.
Except the midfielder has not played for months and is slow at the best of times. He was a bad substitution as was last weeks. Defoe was more likely to keep the ball, is much more of a goal threat, it is sometimes a good idea to score again, rather than sit back and letb them come at you.
Take Defoes. contribution for the last 10 minutes he was on the pitch and match against Hudds this week , or Jenas last week. There is the answer. Hudd did nothing good at all.
It really is no suprise or fluke that we lost the lead twice. If AVB cannot see that it is very worrying.
Holsten76
Calum Davenport
This...and it's a very disturbing thought
Re: Bad substitution two weeks in a row
I have 2 main concerns with with AVB. How on earth is Livermore suddenly a superior player than Huddlestone and Sandro? and 2, Defoe is a 1 up top formation is frighteningly easy to deal with for the opposition and does not unfortunately work for us.
Either start with 4-4-2, Ade and Defoe... or 4-2-3-1 with Ade up top. Simple.
fudge. AVB, I really want to believe, please stop making this harder for us to understand where you are coming from.
Sorry mate I cannot agree with that at all. Huddlestone is one of the best users of the ball we have at the club. Hindsight is wonderful, but the goal we conceded wasn't to do with Huddlestone (So I was told). Theoretically it made a lot of sense.
I have 2 main concerns with with AVB. How on earth is Livermore suddenly a superior player than Huddlestone and Sandro? and 2, Defoe is a 1 up top formation is frighteningly easy to deal with for the opposition and does not unfortunately work for us.
Either start with 4-4-2, Ade and Defoe... or 4-2-3-1 with Ade up top. Simple.
fudge. AVB, I really want to believe, please stop making this harder for us to understand where you are coming from.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Whether you intend it or not constant references to Redknapp will cause conflict.
Seriously - a test - set up a "Redknapp...." thread and I bet within an hour it will have descended into a free for all brawl and been locked :lol:
thfcsteff
George Hunt
Sadly forced to agree. I can only assume that Ade is still not 100% fit, however no excuse, play him for 60 mins if that's the case. And as much as I like Livermore, no way should he be on instead of Sandro, agreed. Dembele and Sandro would've worked well.
The glaring problem is we lack someone to go looking for the ball short and cycle it, to link-and-jink if you will. Luka's absence will be enormously felt unless AVB can find a way of getting Sigurdsson to actually step up and look like a top 4 footballer. Carroll would be my gamble, but again, I understand the problems in playing him now (pressure, team under fire, etc).
I would've liked to see Caulker play at the back today too.
I thought The Hudd looked ponderous in his cameo (in fact his complete inability to make any ariel challenge off that free-kick indirectly led to the shot/goal.
Brad made three marvelous saves, but the goal was same place and nearly the same situation as last week's by WBA; he cannot get down to those anymore. I wouldn't call it a mistake, I'd call it age.
We desperately need to find a way to get Bale and Lennon more into the game, and that will come IF AVB can find someone who is prepared to drop in and look short like Luka did so well and VdV.
I wonder how much Moutinho will really cost us long run? I was gutted we didn't get him for a variety of reasons, and IMHO, the fact remains that if we were 4 minutes too late to push the deal through because Joorchabian was being a taco, no excuse. The blame lies squarely with Daniel. Squarely. A whole summer to address THAT signing, and his ebay-style fetish might well have cost us more than even he could imagine.
Time, as ever, will tell. I'm not ready to panic by any stretch, but even my optimism was severely blunted this afternoon.
Except we looked very good v Saudi Sportswashing Machine for the large part. We have only started to look sloppy since second half west brom, specifically when Lukaku came on and then today.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
And in the spirit of questioning - once again he switched from 451 to 442 and back again.
Personally I thought it was a disaster against WBA and it seems today it did us no favours.
That is something that concerns me, and I can only hope it is because he didnt have the likes of Dempsey on the bench
I agree that we have played some great games the last few seasons, I've been as happy as any other fans of this. But I think we are vulnerable, if Bale will be gone five matches no one can do what he does, then everything falls. What I see in this new system is that it is easier to rotate players and resting players. This hopefully eliminates what happened to the second half of last season. But it does not matter that we do not see things the same way, the most important thing right now is that we give this a little time and do not get too much panic
We were pretty fantastic before Bale was even in the side. We were even brilliant when Modric had a broken leg and before VDV was at the club. I just think people totally over complicate things. Nothing falls apart by losing a player or 2. We have good runs and bad runs, but as long as we buy good players and ask them to play to their strengths, we'll be fine. This is essentially why there is such a clear correlation between the money spent of wages/transfers and success. Buy good players, ask them to play in way they enjoy and are good at. You just need a manager who can recognize good players, motivate them and know what their keys strengths are and play in a way that makes the most of these strengths.
AVB may well turn out to be like that. I'm sure he isn't as stuck to a system or philosophy that our fans think he is. At the end of the day, football really is a simple game and all the planning and meticulous attention to detail in the world, wont make up for a common sense approach, that motivates players and gets them doing what they enjoy and are good at. I'm genuinely not even interested in reading most tactical analysis and system based theories etc, as so little of it is ever founded in any substance and rarely reflects what actually has been happening on the pitch.
I watched West Ham batter Fulham today. The tactic was far more effective than anything else I've seen employed this season. It was hoofing the ball to Carroll. It worked as he's really amazing at winning the ball in the air, and Fat Sam has noticed that. Fulham literally could do nothing to stop it, much like Utd couldn't handle Fellaini. I'm not saying I want us to play like that, but just pointing out the truth about real tactics and how they should be employed and not the pretentious crap we read about on message boards that simply doesn't reflect what really happens in actual real life football games. We've got fast, explosive players, lets play in way that exploits that more often.