Official Kabooooooom Thread

[sp61urs]

My Player of the Season...So he gets my recognition!

 

[ArcspacE]

I just don't rate him. I think the problem is compounded by the fact he is one of THREE defenders that we have who have serious concentration and positional issues. They were protected somewhat by our possession play and the excellent covering by Parker, but once Parker's form dipped our defence looked keystone cops at times. Way too many times actually. And from defensive set pieces we aren't great either.

The recent ratings stats indicated you are quite possibly the single most negatively biased poster as far rating BAE, Walker, Kaboul and Sandro are concerned last season while at the same time one of the most positively biased towards Parker and Defoe.

Judging buy the post above - I can really understand why. Not that it means anything - merely an observation.

Concentration and positional issues?

Pleaser refer to direct goals we've conceded from those, I'm interested to hear more

Parker had many, many more bricker performances last season than Kaboul and was found out on many occasions just how limited his game is as soon as he dared to cross the half-way line.

 

[chezza]

kaboul is an amazing african

 

[Rossi22]

Question for High Horse Knight;

Can you remind me of times this season where Kaboul's lack of positional sense and concentration have directly or otherwise cost us goals? I'm not saying he hasn't, just that I can't remember them. And please, name 4 or 5 at least, given that you see it as such a weak side to his game.

Thank you.

I'd like this for Benny too, thanks.

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

Question for High Horse Knight;

Can you remind me of times this season where Kaboul's lack of positional sense and concentration have directly or otherwise cost us goals? I'm not saying he hasn't, just that I can't remember them. And please, name 4 or 5 at least, given that you see it as such a weak side to his game.

Thank you.

Don't really see that as being relevant to be honest. If a defender makes a mistake but it goes unpunished, it's still a mistake. And that mistake can be as bad as one that is punished. To be honest, I don't keep record of who is at fault for goals. All I know is that apparently our four defenders are superb and yet we don't half look shaky at the back. Maybe it's all Friedel's fault.

 

[Cal_Yido]

Would have been my player of the season. Look at the Chelsea semi final as an example of how much we need him! If we sign Vertonghen it will definitely be him and Kaboul as the starting pair IMO

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

The recent ratings stats indicated you are quite possibly the single most negatively biased poster as far rating BAE, Walker, Kaboul and Sandro are concerned last season while at the same time one of the most positively biased towards Parker and Defoe.

Judging buy the post above - I can really understand why. Not that it means anything - merely an observation.

Concentration and positional issues?

Pleaser refer to direct goals we've conceded from those, I'm interested to hear more

Parker had many, many more bricker performances last season than Kaboul and was found out on many occasions just how limited his game is as soon as he dared to cross the half-way line.

Those so called stats are irrelevant to be honest. I don't think I've ever rated Sandro lower than a 6 in any match. There have been more than a few games this season where other posters have rated him as a 9, and I've rated him as a 7 but my ratings tend to be a lot lower than most other posters anyway. It's VERY rate that I'll rate anyone higher than an 8 and it's very rare I'll rate anyone lower than a 5.

 

[Rossi22]

Maybe because our midfield is three parts strawberry, jelly and ice cream?

 

[AberYid]

Don't really see that as being relevant to be honest. If a defender makes a mistake but it goes unpunished, it's still a mistake. And that mistake can be as bad as one that is punished. To be honest, I don't keep record of who is at fault for goals. All I know is that apparently our four defenders are superb and yet we don't half look shaky at the back. Maybe it's all Friedel's fault.

The emboldened section - how does that work? Genuinely not sure what you mean by that.

Secondly, only 4 teams conceded less goals than us this season. Emirates Marketing Project, Manchester United, Everton and Liverpool. I think our defense is pretty superb actually, least of all when you consider it was Kyle Walker's first full season of Premier League football, we lost Michael Dawson to two injuries, William Gallas barely played, Ledley King played half a season with an injury, and Kaboul and Assou-Ekotto are so positionally unaware.

If you're going to make a wild claim, all I'm asking is that you back it up. As yet you are yet to do so.

So I'll ask again, please give examples of Kaboul making costly/noteworthy/significant errors in judgement, positioning or concentration?

 

[Rossi22]

It's funny because Walker, Kaboul and Benny have been amongst the best in their respective positions this season. The Premier League must be awful if those three are such bad players/defenders.

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

It's funny because Walker, Kaboul and Benny have been amongst the best in their respective positions this season. The Premier League must be awful if those three are such bad players/defenders.

OK, so here is a question for you. Do you think defensively this season we have been good or bad? Especially during that poor run?

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

OK, so here is a question for you. Do you think defensively this season we have been good or bad? Especially during that poor run?

And whose fault were those goals down to? If it's not the defence it's down to either the keeper or the holding midfielder (Parker for the most part). Are you saying that they were to blame?

 

[monkeybarry]

Don't really see that as being relevant to be honest. If a defender makes a mistake but it goes unpunished, it's still a mistake. And that mistake can be as bad as one that is punished. To be honest, I don't keep record of who is at fault for goals. All I know is that apparently our four defenders are superb and yet we don't half look shaky at the back. Maybe it's all Friedel's fault.

please name 11 footballers that make no mistakes

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

please name 11 footballers that make no mistakes

Have I ever claimed that a player never makes a mistake? One of the things that seperates a good player from a very good player is consistency. A consistent player makes LESS mistakes, but doesn't ever make a mistake.

The other thing that is often overlooked is a psychological effect a mistake can have. One mistake can make a crowd nervous, or excite the rival fans. Football is strange in the way that one moment of a game (it doesn't have to be a goal, it can be a bad tackle, a bad mistake that leads to a chance etc) can completely change the complexion of a match.

 

[AberYid]

Have I ever claimed that a player never makes a mistake? One of the things that seperates a good player from a very good player is consistency. A consistent player makes LESS mistakes, but doesn't ever make a mistake.

The other thing that is often overlooked is a psychological effect a mistake can have. One mistake can make a crowd nervous, or excite the rival fans. Football is strange in the way that one moment of a game (it doesn't have to be a goal, it can be a bad tackle, a bad mistake that leads to a chance etc) can completely change the complexion of a match.

Please reply to the bottom post on Page 2, from me. It would be much appreciated.

Thank you.

 

[monkeybarry]

And whose fault were those goals down to? If it's not the defence it's down to either the keeper or the holding midfielder (Parker for the most part). Are you saying that they were to blame?

across the season we have defended well - part of the reason we finished 4th, you dont do that if you cant defend

as far as the goals conceded during that poor spell goes - a few things stand out of me

i. parker losing form/us losing parker disrupted the balance of the team, thus putting extra pressure on the DF
ii. king seemed to implode somewhat andi think his presence in the team has as much of a negative effect as it did positive
iii. the form of all players in the team, inc the df (and especially the fb's) dipped (possibly a result of less support from the wingers - Lennons defensive work goes massively unnoticed)
iv. we didnt attack as effectively and swiftly as usual, thus making it easier for the opposition to settle and take more control of games
v. further to iv., the ball didnt stick when it went forward - we all know how important that is to help a team get back/retain its shape, so teams were able to play the ball and exploit gaps
vi. i think the teams confidence as a whole went a bit

to say any one single player was to blame for that period is very naive - but some did have more of a dip in form than others.

 

[Rossi22]

OK, so here is a question for you. Do you think defensively this season we have been good or bad? Especially during that poor run?

Yes I do. Any defence will struggle at times when Modric, Lennon and Bale make up 3/4 of the midfield in front of you.

Walker I feel has actually learnt very quickly, infact I'd say bar a bad game against Utd at the Lane he's actually been more impressive defensively than he has going forward. Kaboul has been a rock and amongst the top 5 centre backs in the division this year and Benny has been his usual consistent-self despite playing more minutes than just about anyone(up until the other week). Individually we're not going to replace the three above with anyone better, as a group they could tighten up a little maybe which I feel is down to lack of coaching. Kaboul needs a consistent partner, hopefully Vertonghen will be just that and we could also pick and choose when to play such open midfields in front of them and when not to.

 

[spurspinter1]

Please reply to the bottom post on Page 2, from me. It would be much appreciated.

Thank you.

This...

 

[southstand1882]

And whose fault were those goals down to? If it's not the defence it's down to either the keeper or the holding midfielder (Parker for the most part). Are you saying that they were to blame?

Talking to yourself again?

 

[monkeybarry]

Have I ever claimed that a player never makes a mistake? One of the things that seperates a good player from a very good player is consistency. A consistent player makes LESS mistakes, but doesn't ever make a mistake.

The other thing that is often overlooked is a psychological effect a mistake can have. One mistake can make a crowd nervous, or excite the rival fans. Football is strange in the way that one moment of a game (it doesn't have to be a goal, it can be a bad tackle, a bad mistake that leads to a chance etc) can completely change the complexion of a match.

your barometer does seem to fly very close to a "perfection, no mistake" footballer tbh

which CBs in the league do you think make less mistakes than Kaboul consistantly whilst also maintaining a massive influence on their respective team (that, of course, can come in many guises)

agree re; the mental aspect - see Titus Bramble!