O/T Capello Resigns / New England Manager Speculation Thread

[billyiddo]

Don't be daft. To bottle it infers that he would be running away from Spurs to take an easier job. The England job is harder than the Spurs one and the pressure is immense.

nah, he can either stay at Spurs and carry on the good work and cement us as title challengers or go to Engalnd where he isn't going to win the Euro's or the World Cup because we aren't good enough. there may be pressure from the media but all in all it's a pretty easy job when you think about it

that's why most countries appoint ageing managers who've been round the block a few times and aren't up to the rigors of league football anymore

 

[totman]

Wouldn't agree with that. The task of winning over 38 games easier than 7/8?

One thing to consider is that whatever he is percieved as "bottling", it is he who has created the situation which he has to walk away from. Dont see why anyone would would bottle out halfway through their own success story.

 

[billyiddo]

i agree that who the manager is does not hold that much sway in wether a player will sign for you or not.

a big manager at a small club might be able to attract them a higher standard of player than they would usually get, but at the top level i don't think it really matters as much as some people seem to believe

club stature, recent history, players already there, the way the team plays football plus other factors would be more important to a a potential target (aside from the obvious wages etc)

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Yes you are right, I jump in and never reply.

Let me leave you with this.

Identical teams, same league, both pay same wage, both you wouldnt mind playing for, both in same city. One managed by Mourinho, one managed by Phil Brown. Who would attract the top players ?

Are you serious? Is that it?

Where is the :Ross: smiley?

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Well, wouldn't the 'playing well' and 'winning' parts, respectively, be aided if there was a world-renowned manager in charge? I mean, look at it from, say, Modric's perspective. His beloved manager, Harry, leaves for the England job. Now, Modric sees Mourinho and Rodgers linked with the job. Wouldn't he think there was a better chance of him playing well and the team winning under Mourinho as opposed to Rodgers? Therefore, if Rodgers does end up being appointed instead of Mourinho, Modric will be put off somewhat, and will judge Rodgers based on what he thinks Mourinho would have done, which would inevitably lead to disppointment in some quarters, which may manifest itself in bad or uninspired performances. Of course Rodgers may turn out to be a tactical genius and might get the team winning and playing well at the same time, but he'd start at a disadvantage, seeing as the players probably wanted Mourinho, and working off that disadvantage takes time and may possibly involve a couple of defeats or sub-par performances, which reinforces the cycle of negativity. Which we can't afford. So, looking at it that way, you can argue Wriggly's point; that a manager's reputation does count in a player's mind.

Was Redknapp a world renowned and successful coach when he came in? Was Modric dissatisfied then?

I appreciate a manager of reputation can help in player relations, I just dont accept it is the be all - end all at all.

 

[arabspur]

David Moyes is a legend..Just heard his comments about this and he is the first person (outside Tottenham circle) to remind everybody that this is unfair to Tottenham, the club, the players, and the fans...and how keep talking about Harry is really disrespectful to the club/staff/players/fans..

=D>

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Look at the players Fat Sam got to Bolton.

The bottom line is it's not the player you have to be matey with, it's the agent. The agents don't care who the Manager is. They care who will pay them. In our case, Levy cuts the deals. It's no coincidence that apparently Spurs pay more in agency fees than anyone else but City. That's why we get such good bargains, and why we can get players to accept seemingly lower wages than our rivals.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/15976782

A very good point. Unfashioinable club of a less than inspiring style with a bland northern manager...

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

David Moyes is a legend..Just heard his comments about this and he is the first person (outside Tottenham circle) to remind everybody that this is unfair to Tottenham, the club, the players, and the fans...and how keep talking about Harry is really disrespectful to the club/staff/players/fans..

=D>

In these cases Moyes is usually very right.

 

[arabspur]

In these cases Moyes is usually very right.

I tell you. From this comment alone I have HUGE respect to the guy now..

 

[marcospur2]

Moyes is a damn good manager, and if some of the names mentioned in this thread are genuine considerations Moyes has to be on the list.

 

[billyiddo]

Moyes has done a great job at Everton, no denying that - however ive always had the feeling he'd be the wrong man for the job at Spurs

 

[marcospur2]

I agree as it happens, but just saying if Rodgers, Martinez, Lambert et al are potential options then Moyes has to be. But my preference is for a more established manager if we cannot keep our current one.

 

[mick cooper]

He missed an open goal in one game, screwed it wide.

And how do you expect people to react when people who don't rate Parker are so hyperbole against him? And most of his detractors are people who either love an alternative that isn't being picked or didn't want him at the club in the first place and refuse to change their mind no matter what he does.

You yourself said he'd never score a goal like Sandro's, for example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXmFX7E1c-4 (3 minutes in, and worth watching anyway for the chance to see Rose's goal again!). Sandro's goal was superb, but it was a half volley so the power was easy to obtain and it had to be to make sure he could beat the keeper even if the ball was at a height to be saved. The goal Parker scores here is harder to execute as he has to generate power himself which is tough to do hence why most shots are often ballooned.

Neither goal proves a thing though, as there isn't a professional player in the English game who isn't capable of scoring 30 yard screamers under the right circumstances. It's how often they try it, and their ratio of success that defines how good they actually are at it.

Anyway my final thoughts on it are mulling over what you typed "Parker would never have, and will probably never will score a goal like Sandro's against Chelsea, but I'll bet that Sandro will score plenty more like it.". All I can respond to that is 22 seconds into the clip.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_UT9KBYfZ0&feature=fvwrel

Its called my opinion, and as neither of us can see into the future, its as good as yours.

You are treating my comments as being totally against Parker, and thats not the case. I was gutted when he went to Chelsea, tinkled off when he spent all that time getting splinters in his arse, and further browned off when he went from there to Saudi Sportswashing Machine and on to Wet Spam. I have long been an admirer, and was happy to see him come to Spurs. I also said that I am happy to see him on the team sheet - and whats more I said that it was my preference, based on little more than I prefer sandro's game for the differences (differences - not greater attributes) I highlighted.

To absolutely no surprise at all, you try to turn it into a scientific dissertation, and whether you are exactly right or exactly wrong, I don't care one jot. If I was picking the team, I would have Sandro in front of Parker for some games and Parker in for others. But if it came to having to move one on as the other was a luxury, Parker would go, primarily for his age. If they were both 23 then Parker would stay, because he looks less likely to fail on med grounds. If they were both as fit as each other, and reliable - I'd keep Sandro and ship Parker out, without missing a heartbeat.

You always try to shore up your arguments with some piece of technical babble or a sack of stats (or a video) - but all I see when I look at Parkers goal is a misplaced pass, and when I look at Sandro's - I just see a great goal. (I am not trying to suggest Parker was trying to pass it, but its just my sense of humour to look at anything Parker does in that way.)

Don't ever suggest that I don't recognise Parkers assets - I do, I just like the more Maverick and less clockwork style of Sandro

 

[DubaiSpur]

Its called my opinion, and as neither of us can see into the future, its as good as yours.

You are treating my comments as being totally against Parker, and thats not the case. I was gutted when he went to Chelsea, tinkled off when he spent all that time getting splinters in his arse, and further browned off when he went from there to Saudi Sportswashing Machine and on to Wet Spam. I have long been an admirer, and was happy to see him come to Spurs. I also said that I am happy to see him on the team sheet - and whats more I said that it was my preference, based on little more than I prefer sandro's game for the differences (differences - not greater attributes) I highlighted.

To absolutely no surprise at all, you try to turn it into a scientific dissertation, and whether you are exactly right or exactly wrong, I don't care one jot. If I was picking the team, I would have Sandro in front of Parker for some games and Parker in for others. But if it came to having to move one on as the other was a luxury, Parker would go, primarily for his age. If they were both 23 then Parker would stay, because he looks less likely to fail on med grounds. If they were both as fit as each other, and reliable - I'd keep Sandro and ship Parker out, without missing a heartbeat.

You always try to shore up your arguments with some piece of technical babble or a sack of stats (or a video) - but all I see when I look at Parkers goal is a misplaced pass, and when I look at Sandro's - I just see a great goal. (I am not trying to suggest Parker was trying to pass it, but its just my sense of humour to look at anything Parker does in that way.)

Don't ever suggest that I don't recognise Parkers assets - I do, I just like the more Maverick and less clockwork style of Sandro

Eminently reasonable, in my opinion. Can 't imagine why anyone's got a problem with that. Sandro's more valuable than Parker to our club. Parker's more valuable (atm) to the team. That will change, probably beginning next season, once Sandro gets over his niggling injuries. He's got the potential to become one of the best midfield holders in Europe, and I sincerely hope he'll fulfill it here at Spurs.





On second thought, they can both fudge off. Livermore ftw, he will end you all.

 

[AdamB]

harry's first selection as england maneger ? ffs give it a rest eh ?

It was a joke!! Its Friday! As Frankie says........relaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Anyway, I was wrong as I didnt pick the person who would be captain

 

[Gutter Boy]

----------------James

P Neville--Ferdinand--Dawson--M Taylor

Beckham--Parker--Lampard--J Cole

-----------Crouch--Defoe

 

[punk_is_back`]

Its called my opinion, and as neither of us can see into the future, its as good as yours.

You are treating my comments as being totally against Parker, and thats not the case. I was gutted when he went to Chelsea, tinkled off when he spent all that time getting splinters in his arse, and further browned off when he went from there to Saudi Sportswashing Machine and on to Wet Spam. I have long been an admirer, and was happy to see him come to Spurs. I also said that I am happy to see him on the team sheet - and whats more I said that it was my preference, based on little more than I prefer sandro's game for the differences (differences - not greater attributes) I highlighted.

To absolutely no surprise at all, you try to turn it into a scientific dissertation, and whether you are exactly right or exactly wrong, I don't care one jot. If I was picking the team, I would have Sandro in front of Parker for some games and Parker in for others. But if it came to having to move one on as the other was a luxury, Parker would go, primarily for his age. If they were both 23 then Parker would stay, because he looks less likely to fail on med grounds. If they were both as fit as each other, and reliable - I'd keep Sandro and ship Parker out, without missing a heartbeat.

You always try to shore up your arguments with some piece of technical babble or a sack of stats (or a video) - but all I see when I look at Parkers goal is a misplaced pass, and when I look at Sandro's - I just see a great goal. (I am not trying to suggest Parker was trying to pass it, but its just my sense of humour to look at anything Parker does in that way.)

Don't ever suggest that I don't recognise Parkers assets - I do, I just like the more Maverick and less clockwork style of Sandro

The problem is with a lot of people who are pro parker is that they cannot accept that there exists alternatives to him for different games. Against wolves Hudd would have been more use; against teams with power in midfield like chelsea you deploy both Sandro and Parker. People are determined to put him as first on the teamsheet, even ahead of modric. He is a player you go to if you need to defend games or mark out a playmaker but if we were breaking down teams who sat in front of their keeper there would be no need for him as Hudd can act as the Deep Lying playmaking anchor. Parker will not win you games, but he'll save us from losing games. If we want to win games we need to play a more expansive passer as the basis for our team. A DM needs to link the defence to the midfield; like an AM or no10 links midfield to attack. They need to be quick at recycling possession when under pressure and Parker is not that man. He should be our go to man for games away against City/Arsenal/UTD; tough games where our best hope is a draw but against teams where we are expected to beat I want Hudd in there or even Livermore who recycles the ball better than parker. Sandro will however become better than both parker and Hudd as he appears to be on the same wavelength as the other players in terms of our pass and move game unlike Parker who looks clueless going forward and exchanges one two's with the centrebacks all the time. He also already has that bite and energy that Hudd lacks too.

 

[Hootnow]

The days that are the best part of being a parent.

Looking out of the terminal building at Bermuda airport I pointed to the aircraft taking us to Florida to my 4 year old daughter

"will I be able to see out of the window when we fly to Your -ami?" she asked

Some of the best (and most tiring) days of my life.

look at pictures of farrakhan as a younger man, glasses and the finger pointing are common in those pictures, but he does have a chubbier face

I'm not a student of leading black american, muslim converts, certainly not to the point of being able to pick out pictures of them in their early days

does this make me a racist Totman, and will it affect my status as the best Spurs fan (in my own fevered imagination) ever?

Wait, are you telling me that leading black Muslim Americans is not your specialist topic on mastermind?

 

[monkeybarry]

David Moyes is a legend..Just heard his comments about this and he is the first person (outside Tottenham circle) to remind everybody that this is unfair to Tottenham, the club, the players, and the fans...and how keep talking about Harry is really disrespectful to the club/staff/players/fans..

=D>

get myself in Levy's good books and top of his new manager list - check.

 

[Superted]

Moyes is a damn good manager, and if some of the names mentioned in this thread are genuine considerations Moyes has to be on the list.

Love the ironing how Moyes's name has come up for defending us when media talk is unsettling our manager ... So we talk about poaching him!