• Dear Guest, Please note that adult content is not permitted on this forum. We have had our Google ads disabled at times due to some posts that were found from some time ago. Please do not post adult content and if you see any already on the forum, please report the post so that we can deal with it. Adult content is allowed in the glory hole - you will have to request permission to access it. Thanks, scara

Nuno Espírito Santo - Sacked

Lilbaz said:
Clubs should not need a broker to agree a transfer fee. If the owner feels they can't negotiate hire a dof. The agent should only be involed in the players contract and should work on behalf of the player and thus should be paid by him. If the agent works for both the club and the player, that is a conflict of interest and (after the pogba incident) is against fifas rules.

Article 19 states: “A players’ agent may only represent the interests of one particular party per transaction. In particular a players’ agent is forbidden from having a representation contract, a cooperation agreement or shared interests with one of the other parties or with one of the other parties’ players’ agent involved in the player’s transfer or in the completion of the employment contract.”
Click to expand...

Maybe they need a broker to help / advise them that going to X club is better than going to Y club?

I assume the moment Mendes is proven to do something illegal that he gets suspended?
 
BrainOfLevy said:
Maybe they need a broker to help / advise them that going to X club is better than going to Y club?

I assume the moment Mendes is proven to do something illegal that he gets suspended?
Click to expand...

The agent should be advising the player on what the best club for their career should be. If the clubs are the ones paying the agents and the players don't even know how much they are getting paid. Then the player wont know whether the club is the best move for them or their agent.

Anyway wrong thread for this. Nuno isn't in charge of transfer targets.
 
Lilbaz said:
The agent should be advising the player on what the best club for their career should be. If the clubs are the ones paying the agents and the players don't even know how much they are getting paid. Then the player wont know whether the club is the best move for them or their agent.

Anyway wrong thread for this. Nuno isn't in charge of transfer targets.
Click to expand...

Im sure the agent - Mendes in this case - does advise the player exactly that though? And given there are more than enough agents to choose from, he obviously is rated highly enough by his clients that he can continue to sign up new ones?

I’m just trying to understand the tangible drawbacks of Mendes being involved with us? As far as I understand, Mendes making a fee isn’t drastically different to other agents, so what is it about him specifically? Are players worse off? Are clubs? Or is he just good at what he does, with a good middle man making the right moves to benefit both sides?
 
BrainOfLevy said:
Im sure the agent - Mendes in this case - does advise the player exactly that though? And given there are more than enough agents to choose from, he obviously is rated highly enough by his clients that he can continue to sign up new ones?
Click to expand...

I don't think it works that way. Think about Mateja Kezman, for instance: finished top scorer with PSV for a few seasons in a row, asked for a transfer and he only received one offer, from Wolves. Sacked his agent, signed for Chelsea.

Agents don't sell an expertise, these days, they sell a network. If you sign with Mendes, you know your agent has the ear of a lot of powerful chairmen and your career could (not 'will') benefit from that. On the other hand, if you're a world-class player, you don't need that network and you can afford to have a relative or even any old lawyer to check the terms of your contract (Kane, Mbappé, Romario, etc.).

An agent doesn't advise their clients, he opens doors for them.

True story: a young player who played for PSG a few seasons ago fell over in his bathroom and hurt his leg and his head. He didn't call the French equivalent of 999, he called his agent (who then told him to call 999). Players make decisions on the pitch but rarely when it comes to their career.
 
Last edited:
BrainOfLevy said:
Im sure the agent - Mendes in this case - does advise the player exactly that though? And given there are more than enough agents to choose from, he obviously is rated highly enough by his clients that he can continue to sign up new ones?

I’m just trying to understand the tangible drawbacks of Mendes being involved with us? As far as I understand, Mendes making a fee isn’t drastically different to other agents, so what is it about him specifically? Are players worse off? Are clubs? Or is he just good at what he does, with a good middle man making the right moves to benefit both sides?
Click to expand...

I think there's some clubs so dependent on him pushing his players to them that he's then able to exert pressure on them to sell a player to a club of his choosing. If he has enough sway over multiple clubs then he's in control of the chains. As an example say Porto, he might persuade 3 of his players to go there and then in 3 years time tell Porto they're all moving on this summer and these are the fees, if they kick up a fuss he can say I won't instruct any of my players to sign for you and so begins the hold over them. Multiply that by multiple clubs and you can see the problem.

To be fair I've not seen many clubs complain about it because many of them regularly get good players signing there and he also tends to get the selling club good fees but he effectively parks players in a glorified loan system. You could liken it to a giant Ponzi scheme in a way, tells clubs he'll get them a replacement from his roster when they sell X but what if in the future X decided not to sign with him. All if's, buts and maybes but that's why people don't like him - does acting like that line his own pockets plus act in the best interests of the players he represents?
 
BrainOfLevy said:
Im sure the agent - Mendes in this case - does advise the player exactly that though? And given there are more than enough agents to choose from, he obviously is rated highly enough by his clients that he can continue to sign up new ones?

I’m just trying to understand the tangible drawbacks of Mendes being involved with us? As far as I understand, Mendes making a fee isn’t drastically different to other agents, so what is it about him specifically? Are players worse off? Are clubs? Or is he just good at what he does, with a good middle man making the right moves to benefit both sides?
Click to expand...

I've not said we shouldn't deal with mendes.

I'm saying that the agent should work for the player and be paid by them.
 
Last edited:
Lilbaz said:
In the same way ronaldo was a "slave" at utd when madrid wanted him. But that is a different discussion.
I'm saying that if the agent works for the player. The player should be the one that pays their fee. Not the club. The transfer fee should be arranged between the clubs and the agents should not get a percentage. That way the player knows how much the agent is being paid and also that the agent works for their interests not the clubs or their own.
Then i believe you might see a lot more of the dele and de bruynes, deciding that they don't need an agent. Just a lawyer for negotiations with the clubs.
Click to expand...
The agent doesn’t always work for the player though. Often the agent is working for the buying or selling club. I do think that agents should only be able to work for one party however (with that being the party who have to pay them).
 
richie_spur said:
I've just watched the video and if this is indicative of what's on twitter I'm glad I don't bother.

It's a guy (admittedly our guy) walking into the lobby of a building and into a corridor. Do we miss the office that much that this is entertaining?! Would a picture not have done?

Jebus wept...
Click to expand...

It's just about getting people to stare at it for longer, and people stare at moving brick longer than static brick.
 
Lilbaz said:
We'll it's only the youth that have started preseason. So wouldn't expect too many people to be about.
Click to expand...

It's all of the players not on international duty this summer. A sizeable chunk of our first team were back on Monday.
 
milo said:
It's all of the players not on international duty this summer. A sizeable chunk of our first team were back on Monday.
Click to expand...

According to chris cowlin it was only the youth team that started that day. They have early pre season friendlies. Enfield and someone else. He might be wrong dunno.
 
Lilbaz said:
According to chris cowlin it was only the youth team that started that day. They have early pre season friendlies. Enfield and someone else. He might be wrong dunno.
Click to expand...

The club released plenty of first team players doing fitness tests on Monday. They were back out on the training grounds yesterday.
 
didn't even show a pass, where's security, my first day at new company and I have to get someone to collect me, get dragged of to get my pass done and am told to read a load of H&S brick
 
NoLimits01 said:
didn't even show a pass, where's security, my first day at new company and I have to get someone to collect me, get dragged of to get my pass done and am told to read a load of H&S brick
Click to expand...

He probably did his lifting heavy objects online training course whilst self isolating last week
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back