That doesn't really tie in with the fact that he and Vertonghen as CBs saw us concede 50% fewer goals (on average per game) than since he has been out of the team...
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No case for the defence
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milo
Jack L. Jones
I don't think that the system needs to be tweaked, I just think that we need to be more consistent in applying it. That will come as our players gain experience and be helped no end by adding some depth this summer.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
With our fullbacks bombing forward it will leave us more open at the back. Therefore the wingers ahead of the fullbacks need to track back to cover their fullback when they have run beyond them. Problem is neither Chadli nor Townsend are good at this. Now I understand that Chadli brings goals and usually an offensive threat, but Townsend neither defends nor attacks particularly effectively. This leaves Walker exposed and teams seem to have targeted this as our weak spot. So for the life of me I cannot understand why Poch does not address this by dropping Townsend and playing eithe Lamela or Dembele to give walker some help. I certainly don't think we should be playing both Chadli and Townsend together and then allowing the full backs to bomb forward.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I don't think anyone is saying that we don't have to improve?
People are just questioning if a (new) dedicated defensive midfielder is the preferred solution.
Sandman
Jermaine Jenas
Im not defending Townsend as he is not producing at all. But Walkers positional sense on standard covering schemes is all over the place at the moment. he constantly takes up the wrong positions or switches off at vital moments. You are right that teams are attacking our right side. But its mainly Walker they are picking on.
We could make our right sided wide forward cover him more. But he still has to be able to do his basic positioning play.
Kandi1977
Garth Crooks
Hasn't really been any situations where the GK could/should rush out as a sweeper. On most attacks against us, it's the flanks that get attacked, usually with a long cross to wide left/right, followed by a cross into the box. Not much the GK can do about those situations. We rarely get exposed from through balls in the middle, where the GK actually can come out and sweep.
Yeah good point. Under AVB we also played a ridiculous high-line, but it costed us far less because Lloris was almost playing as a third CB, he doesn't do that anymore.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
We need wholesale changes at the back.
Walker's positioning and defensive play has hardly improved over the last 4 years.
Vertonghen is the best of a very bad bunch, but even he looks ropey these days.
Chiriches is not good enough.
Fazio is slow and prone to errors.
Dier might become a good player one day, but he is also prone to errors.
Would it really hurt to give a youngster a go for a few games? Can't be any worse than we are now.
Walker's positioning and defensive play has hardly improved over the last 4 years.
Vertonghen is the best of a very bad bunch, but even he looks ropey these days.
Chiriches is not good enough.
Fazio is slow and prone to errors.
Dier might become a good player one day, but he is also prone to errors.
Would it really hurt to give a youngster a go for a few games? Can't be any worse than we are now.
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indianspur
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so judging by this, we need a new right back and 2 new centre halves?
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indianspur
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i think you sum it up perfectly, especially the highlighted parts
I thought we was giving a youngster a go by playing Dier? I don't see the merit in playing two young CBs, at the very least you need one with experience. Unless youre talking about the FB positions, but even then Walker and Rose are still relatively young....
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Or we can give them a chance to achieve some consistency by working on their mistakes on the training ground. I don't want to see wholesale changes myself. I want to see us work on and establish partnerships and relationships all over the pitch to see us functioning as a unit more efficiently.
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Walker is a total liability at the moment, always out of position and chasing back. Seen so many crosses come in from his side and a lot of the goals we concede seem to have Walker miles away from the attacker running in on his side as well.
Wouldn't mind Dier at RB with Fazio back in the middle for a few games.
Wouldn't mind Dier at RB with Fazio back in the middle for a few games.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Agreed. Dier was dropped from right back for Chiriches who looked considerably better, but now people want Dier in there again despite him being in dodgy form over the last couple of weeks at least?