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Next Spurs Manager v.2

Who do you want?

  • Louis Van Gaal

    Votes: 8 6.6%

  • Mauro Pochettino

    Votes: 9 7.4%

  • Frank de Boer

    Votes: 43 35.5%

  • Roberto Martinez

    Votes: 16 13.2%

  • Carlo Ancelotti

    Votes: 10 8.3%

  • Murat Yakin

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Thomas Tuchel

    Votes: 2 1.7%

  • Rafa Benitez

    Votes: 29 24.0%

  • Someone Else

    Votes: 4 3.3%
  • Total voters
    121
  • Poll closed .
braineclipse said:
I'm guessing none of you would be arguing the case for Pulis if not for his half a season miracle at Palace. That's still a very small sample size.
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I wasn't necessarily making the case for him (though your remark may not necessarily have been aimed at me), bur rather just setting out his playing style as I see it, and making the point that if he has managed to make it work at smaller clubs, it should in theory work even better at clubs with technically better players (subject to the provisos I highlighted).

For what It's worth, I wouldn't want to see the job go to him (though I find the idea less unpalatable than I may have done previously) and can't see that he would be on Levy's radar either.
 
braineclipse said:
What you're saying just doesn't fit with reality imo.

Since you mention Liverpool. Rodgers still hasn't signed a new contract, part of that is reportedly that he wants more of the power on transfer decisions. Because like Levy, like most sensible owners, the Liverpool owners won't just hand over the key to the club to a newly appointed manager and let him do as he pleases.

There's even been reports that Sturridge wasn't "his signing": http://www.givemesport.com/447761-liverpool-manager-didnt-want-sturridge-transfer

Also, this is the Liverpool that's gone through Benitez, Hodgson and Dalglish (a club legend) before Rodgers got the job. There's no "get a #1 target, then trust him 100% whatever happens" philosophy here.
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And also had Liverpool been playing like we were and getting the results we were, then Rodgers would have been under some serious pressure himself and let's face it, probably sacked, like brain mentions, the owners had form with hosgson and Kenny.
 
ShelfLife said:
I wasn't necessarily making the case for him (though your remark may not necessarily have been aimed at me), bur rather just setting out his playing style as I see it, and making the point that if he has managed to make it work at smaller clubs, it should in theory work even better at clubs with technically better players (subject to the provisos I highlighted).

For what It's worth, I wouldn't want to see the job go to him (though I find the idea less unpalatable than I may have done previously) and can't see that he would be on Levy's radar either.
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For me a massive difference between a club like ours and a club like Stoke and Crystal Palace is that a manager like Pulis can try to sit back at Stoke and Palace for the majority of the time for the majority of games. We cannot. AVB tried the defensive approach, tried luring teams forward or whatever he called it. Didn't work, teams just sit back and allow you to have possession. For Stoke and Palace that would be fine most of the time, a draw is an acceptable result.

For a team our size you have to be able to control games, control possession against smaller teams and go out and beat them. Find a way through somewhat consistently, create against organized teams. That's one of the big steps up for a manager from a smaller team to a bigger one. One of the big problems Moyes has seen at United, and for me one of the reasons why Rodgers and Martinez has succeeded. They were at smaller teams where the focus was still on attacking and their play on the ball. They came with experience in setting that up, coaching that, making it work. They brought that with them to bigger clubs and better players and it worked better.

I would rather see us go for someone like Poch or FdB.
 
braineclipse said:
Sounds like it could be a description of Klopp's Dortmund.

It's frankly ridiculous that just because someone likes a high pressing style it's "AVB all over again". Actually one of the ongoing criticisms about AVB was that our counter attacking wasn't quick enough and that we passed it around aimlessly at the back for too long.
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I'm talking about AVB when things were working for him. Like how his Porto side played and how we played at our best in his first season.
All pace and physicality.
His second season was a mess.

Its not the high pressing its the counter attacking that's a huge problem.
We cant expect to be successful playing that style. Teams just sit back at whl how the **** are we supposed to counter attack them.
It works in Leagues were the big teams can just overpower the weak opposition and in europe were a draw is a good result, but not in the premier league.
 
Jordinho said:
Or he has simply been doing whatever the chairmen have asked of him. We don't know. That's why you do an interview, to learn more about his approach and what he can do. The Stoke academy might be completely ****.

He did well while on a modest budget at Stoke, it was the more expensive signings that were poor. Again, that might as well depend on those running the business side of things.
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I read a blog post (think it was on statsbomb) about chance creation. In the first few matches under Pulis, Palace posted the largest number of shot from headers in the PL - Stoke before he left had been the highest in all recent seasons.

Palace are playing better football than Stoke did, but having had the misfortune of watching a lot of their matches I can tell you that the football is far more direct now than it has been for a few years.
 
Modric THFC said:
I'm talking about AVB when things were working for him. Like how his Porto side played and how we played at our best in his first season.
All pace and physicality.
His second season was a mess.

Its not the high pressing its the counter attacking that's a huge problem.
We cant expect to be successful playing that style. Teams just sit back at whl how the **** are we supposed to counter attack them.
It works in Leagues were the big teams can just overpower the weak opposition and in europe were a draw is a good result, but not in the premier league.
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I agree that we can't just rely on counter attacking as our main style of attack.

I don't agree that this is what Pochettino does. If your claim that this is a problem with Poch I would expect his results against bottom half teams (that will sit back and counter themselves) to be worse than against top half teams relative to teams around him. That was probably the case in his first half a season at Southampton, it hasn't been the case this year.

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2013-2014/versus-bottom-half/full

You're saying that this year's Southampton has been all about pace and physicality?
 
All of a sudden all the papers reckon we are going to go after Martinez. Can't they see all holes in this rumour??

1) Spurs would have to pay out a massive amount to prise him out of Everton's hands.
2) Martinez has the players he wants playing the system he wants. We may well be able to offer him some decent transfer funds, but the guy has a settled team despite the fact he will lose Lukaku, Deulofeu and Barry.
3) Martinez seems like a pretty loyal guy and to jump ship at Everton like that does not seem his style.
4) So far as we know he likes it there.
 
Cochise said:
All of a sudden all the papers reckon we are going to go after Martinez. Can't they see all holes in this rumour??

1) Spurs would have to pay out a massive amount to prise him out of Everton's hands.
2) Martinez has the players he wants playing the system he wants. We may well be able to offer him some decent transfer funds, but the guy has a settled team despite the fact he will lose Lukaku, Deulofeu and Barry.
3) Martinez seems like a pretty loyal guy and to jump ship at Everton like that does not seem his style.
4) So far as we know he likes it there.
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Is staying another year
 
Cochise said:
All of a sudden all the papers reckon we are going to go after Martinez. Can't they see all holes in this rumour??

1) Spurs would have to pay out a massive amount to prise him out of Everton's hands.
2) Martinez has the players he wants playing the system he wants. We may well be able to offer him some decent transfer funds, but the guy has a settled team despite the fact he will lose Lukaku, Deulofeu and Barry.
3) Martinez seems like a pretty loyal guy and to jump ship at Everton like that does not seem his style.
4) So far as we know he likes it there.
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Agree about 3 and 4.

1 won't matter all that much to Levy, if he thinks this is his man then he goes for his man.

Unsure about 2. They will lose Lukaku, Deulofeu and Barry like you say, Distin is really getting on now. A couple of other players like Howard and Pienaar are also closing in on the age where they will have to be replaced. Baines will be linked away heavily again, as will probably Coleman. That team isn't all that settled after all. He will depend on making excellent deals in the transfer market once again.

He would have more resources for us. But in the end I think point 3 will be the deciding factor and I agree that it seems very unlikely.
 
palace 3 - 3 liverpool

pulis set up his team for the counter attack the same as brendan rogers in the second half didnt he - long low fast ball to the striker up front.

liverpool were asking for it - they were hell bent on giving palace a whipping after the 3 - goal lead.

will levy be enticed if pulis wins manager of the month?
 
braineclipse said:
Agree about 3 and 4.

1 won't matter all that much to Levy, if he thinks this is his man then he goes for his man.

Unsure about 2. They will lose Lukaku, Deulofeu and Barry like you say, Distin is really getting on now. A couple of other players like Howard and Pienaar are also closing in on the age where they will have to be replaced. Baines will be linked away heavily again, as will probably Coleman. That team isn't all that settled after all. He will depend on making excellent deals in the transfer market once again.

He would have more resources for us. But in the end I think point 3 will be the deciding factor and I agree that it seems very unlikely.
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Depends on how ambitious Martinez is, can't believe somebody actually said "they will lose Lukaku, Deulofeu and Barry" casually .. you take those 3 out of Everton (and add the aging of a few of their players) and you could question their ability to make top 8 far less top 4.

Think he's too loyal personally, but it would be an upward move for him, much better squad here, +ability to by 1 or 2 key players instead of begging loans.
 
Jordinho said:
Martinez is not a realistic candidate at this time at all IMO.
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We want him. The papers have just caught on too. I still don't think we'll get him. My money, right now, would be on Pochettino. De Boer, I suspect, didn't do himself many favors last week.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I don't think Martinez is in any way a realistic candidate

Levy passed over him 2 years ago, he displayed impressive loyalty at Wigan and is only one year into his Everton project, he's been based in the NW for most of the last 20 years, and Everton finished ahead of us this season and give their managers time.

I just don't see it as a starter compared to the other 3 candidates.
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Trust me, it's a name he wants. I don't think he will get him, but I suspect 8 mill would make Kenwright happy. They could then get a Malchay McKay (sp?)…lot of loan players, etc…again, I think Pochettino then De Boer is the realistic order, but the looks at Martinez are real.
 
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