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Next Manager?

BrainOfLevy said:
Exactly. Who is the Euros manager that makes waiting this length of time all worth it?
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Either Clarke or Page, the media have been telling me how great their teams are, if these blokes can produce great teams with the bunch of journeymen they have selected they must be the best.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
I’m all for that, but it’s not a strategy that suggests we are pushing for the title in the next 1-2 years. Especially as you say it’s ‘just as we always have’.
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We won't magic £1B out of thin air to immediately compete with those who can, no.

But by growing the brand and the business (as Levy has been all along), we can take the Manchester Utd/Victimpool route of being able to challenge through our own earnings.

If what you're expecting is a title challenge tomorrow, then the club will fail. Not because the club has lacked ambition, but because you have an unachievably high standard in your own mind.
 
scaramanga said:
So no players are returning for the next 2 weeks?

Why the hurry then?
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Because any appointment doesnt happen immediately - need to approach them, negotiate terms, get their release, and if they're managing at the Euros as you say, need to catch them between games or after their team has been knocked out. We'd also need to appoint his supporting team.

I dont see which manager at the Euros is going to suddenly be available who we couldnt have predicted or who we're desperately waiting around for. If we want martinez, then approach him asap and see whether there's an interest
 
scaramanga said:
Things that he can do without any players?

I'm comfortable with waiting for whatever that is.
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Yes, like:
- building relationships with those at the club now
- studying the statistical analysis we have on all our players.
- learning what training was lacking in the last few years.
- tailoring training based at least partially on the above.
- moving to a new country or at least City unless its woy, settling himself and family. House hunting, finding out the best kebab shop that kind of thing

And a whole host of other things
 
scaramanga said:
We won't magic £1B out of thin air to immediately compete with those who can, no.

But by growing the brand and the business (as Levy has been all along), we can take the Manchester Utd/Victimpool route of being able to challenge through our own earnings.

If what you're expecting is a title challenge tomorrow, then the club will fail. Not because the club has lacked ambition, but because you have an unachievably high standard in your own mind.
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I don’t actually disagree with you. I get how the club needs to act. My point is, you can infer something from the type of managers that are available that choose not to join us about our standing in the game and our pitch to candidates.

2 years ago, if Poch left right after the CL final, we could have probably gotten a Ten Hag or similar to carry it on. We looked like a club really about to take a leap. I think we would have been a really attractive proposition for anyone and links to people like Fonseca and Gattuso would have been laughed out of the room. Not taken remotely seriously.

So I don’t think it’s entirely true to say we can’t possibly know, or can’t possibly comment on what this search says about the direction of our club. Unless we pull out a Ten Hag at the last, I think it says we’ve gone backwards. I think it shows that the standing we thought we had at the start of this process has probably fallen in the game a bit. And I think they are fair questions to raise.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
I don’t actually disagree with you. I get how the club needs to act. My point is, you can infer something from the type of managers that are available that choose not to join us about our standing in the game and our pitch to candidates.

2 years ago, if Poch left right after the CL final, we could have probably gotten a Ten Hag or similar to carry it on. We looked like a club really about to take a leap. I think we would have been a really attractive proposition for anyone and links to people like Fonseca and Gattuso would have been laughed out of the room. Not taken remotely seriously.

So I don’t think it’s entirely true to say we can’t possibly know, or can’t possibly comment on what this search says about the direction of our club. Unless we pull out a Ten Hag at the last, I think it says we’ve gone backwards. I think it shows that the standing we thought we had at the start of this process has probably fallen in the game a bit. And I think they are fair questions to raise.
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When Poch left, Covid wasn't a thing .. hard to compare (the economic impact cannot be understated)
 
Raziel said:
When Poch left, Covid wasn't a thing .. hard to compare (the economic impact cannot be understated)
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Fair. If it comes out that we are more financially fudged than we’d like to admit as a result of Covid, and that’s why we’re hunting in the bargain aisle, I’d fully accept it. Still wouldn’t quite explain the sudden switch from Fonseca to Gattuso, but it would explain the general trend and direction. Maybe we’ll be a better job for a top candidate again in a couple of years.

If that’s the case, I don’t think anyone who is fair could complain. But either way, I think people’s nervousness comes from the fact it doesn’t look like we are pushing on. Being told to wait and see or not believe everything you read in the face of a chaotic two month search doesn’t really fly. If it really is that we just don’t have the cash and we really need to use this time to give opportunities to our academy, by all means, the club would have my full support during a tough time.
 
Lilbaz said:
Can someone please explain the tossfest over eth? Could redknapp not have acheived the same with that team?
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To me it’s that he looks the most proven manager of the style we need. So good with young players. Attacking football. Proven in European competition. Seems to be well respected and successful in the jobs he’s had. It’s really no more than that, but he looks to be the best option, proven at the things we need.

But maybe finances are tight and this job is a really hard one to sell. I certainly like that explanation more than the club is methodically getting to the preferred target. Because at least we can have sympathy with the club given the constraints from Covid. This is probably a really good job in 2 years for someone, but maybe whoever takes it now knows they’re going to be on a bit of a hiding to nothing.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
To me it’s that he looks the most proven manager of the style we need. So good with young players. Attacking football. Proven in European competition. Seems to be well respected and successful in the jobs he’s had. It’s really no more than that, but he looks to be the best option, proven at the things we need.

But maybe finances are tight and this job is a really hard one to sell. I certainly like that explanation more than the club is methodically getting to the preferred target. Because at least we can have sympathy with the club given the constraints from Covid. This is probably a really good job in 2 years for someone, but maybe whoever takes it now knows they’re going to be on a bit of a hiding to nothing.
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Not saying he's bad. More on other sites they think he's the one. I just don't see that he's improved them that much.

He got them to the semi against us in the cl. That was it.
 
Raziel said:
When Poch left, Covid wasn't a thing .. hard to compare (the economic impact cannot be understated)
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Just for the record, Poch did not leave mate, he was sacked and replaces within 24 hours by a man who primped for his job and got the employer to sack him...without any press whispers I should note.

I agree on covid. Only a fool would deny that.
 
DTA said:
Yes, like:
- building relationships with those at the club now
- studying the statistical analysis we have on all our players.
- learning what training was lacking in the last few years.
- tailoring training based at least partially on the above.
- moving to a new country or at least City unless its woy, settling himself and family. House hunting, finding out the best kebab shop that kind of thing

And a whole host of other things
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We all know Chick-king is the place to go. I’m sure Mou would have a left a post it with the clubs personal order line on it
 
DTA said:
Yes, like:
- building relationships with those at the club now
- studying the statistical analysis we have on all our players.
- learning what training was lacking in the last few years.
- tailoring training based at least partially on the above.
- moving to a new country or at least City unless its woy, settling himself and family. House hunting, finding out the best kebab shop that kind of thing

And a whole host of other things
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Any manager worth his salt will have already analysed our players. He'll learn far more from training with them - he can't do that until they return.

I'm sure Doris the tea lady will be fine missing a couple of weeks of "relationship building" with the new manager.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
I don’t actually disagree with you. I get how the club needs to act. My point is, you can infer something from the type of managers that are available that choose not to join us about our standing in the game and our pitch to candidates.

2 years ago, if Poch left right after the CL final, we could have probably gotten a Ten Hag or similar to carry it on. We looked like a club really about to take a leap. I think we would have been a really attractive proposition for anyone and links to people like Fonseca and Gattuso would have been laughed out of the room. Not taken remotely seriously.

So I don’t think it’s entirely true to say we can’t possibly know, or can’t possibly comment on what this search says about the direction of our club. Unless we pull out a Ten Hag at the last, I think it says we’ve gone backwards. I think it shows that the standing we thought we had at the start of this process has probably fallen in the game a bit. And I think they are fair questions to raise.
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Poch was a step backward to a manager of a provincial little club with no history of trophies at one point.
 
Maybe we are waiting on the dof to start before we finalise/sign/pick a manager.
No point in Levy signing ETH for instance only to find him and the dof don't see eye to eye.
 
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