New New Manager Poll (The Lets Get It Right This Time Edition)

[Chrissivad]

Didn’t Ange manager a city group club once?

The team he managed in Japan

 

[Yiddo]

Ha, some taco on twitter claims we have been rejected by a manager and everyone believes and loses their brick. Unbelievable how people are led these days.

 

[Robbo]

Despite Levy and his reputation, we're still a massive gig for most managers. Regular top 4-6 finishers (despite this season) in the PL, still a fairly talented squad + arguably the most complete striker in world football, great wages compared to most clubs (at least outside the PL), world class infrastructure - there's plenty to be excited about. Which is why the reported refusals should be taken with a big pinch of salt, IMO.

 

[AdamB]

Despite Levy and his reputation, we're still a massive gig for most managers. Regular top 4-6 finishers (despite this season) in the PL, still a fairly talented squad + arguably the most complete striker in world football, great wages compared to most clubs (at least outside the PL), world class infrastructure - there's plenty to be excited about. Which is why the reported refusals should be taken with a big pinch of salt, IMO.

"for most managers". I have no doubt about that!

Questions are:

1. whether those are ones which we want
2. whether we are prepared to pay the fee to get managers which we want out of their current clubs

 

[Finney Is Back]

There are guys in non-league that tell their teams to just go out and play - would you be happy having them as our manager?

There are probably coaches in all corners of the world that can do that - not hard to do what Redknapp did and just let the players vibe. But appointing the record champion of, say, the Zimbabwean third division or the Kazakh Intramural Championship is probably not your idea of competence. Same with Ange.

Redknapp was a brilliant coach who got numerous teams punching above their weight.

 

[Robspur12]

I don't know why you engage with the idiots, they'd be whinging about any new owners before you know it.

Er because it's a forum?

 

[billyiddo]

All I kept reading on here was ' I don't care about trophies, just want to enjoy attractive style of football'.

Now here's a guy we potentially want, who plays an attacking style and has a track record of changing a clubs fortunes but a lot of our fans still whinge. Have seen plenty turn their nose up at Nagelsman, Potter and many others. I honestly think a lot of fans are looking for this magical perfect manager that doesn't exist....

Not sure what's so hard to grasp here tbh

Entirely reasonable to hold the view that style of play is more important than trophies at any cost type football (i assume that's what you meant as i don't think I've seen anyone say they don't care about trophies) whilst also having reservations about whether or not a manager who has only worked at a very low level in comparison to the PL would be able to have the same impact here.

People on here have also made perfectly valid arguments as to why they have reservations over the likes of Potter & Nagelsmann (though I'd be happy with both) so I'm not really sure what this type of blanket post is getting at

 

[Bullet]

Yep. Think Todger had a far more successful record at Celtic than Ange does

That was addressed by dingdongo on the page prior to your post.
Todger was up against a newly promoted Rangers.
Ange was up against a good Rangers side who did well in Europe, beating big teams.

 

[Gutter Boy]

no idea what you're on about

He Aussie guy looks like a 60 year old version of John Mcclure (the singer from the band Reverend and the Makers)

 

[tommysvr]

Even his biggest bigger upper on here @tommysvr has said the Japanese league is flaky with teams going from relegation to title challenging all the time, that puts in to question those achievements straight away to me and then what do we have after that? International football (lol) and Scottish football (double lol) I'm sorry but this guys reputation is built on sand.

I did say flaky but I definitely didn’t mean it like that. It’s an extremely competitive league, and one of very high technical quality. I’ve also said Angie’s achievements in Japan weigh more than those in Scotland, in my opinion. The way he changed Marinos and defined a new playing style for the rest of the league to follow. The way fans revere him. The pathway he set for other coaches, like Kevin Muscat who came in after him. All whilst doing it through a translator.

Japanese clubs have won the AFC Champions League twice since 2009 and Asian clubs have hardly pulled any trees in the Club World Cup. Japan is probably somewhere between the middle and the lower end of the Tier 1 leagues in Asia. That's fairly good in itself but I don't think you can compare that with the level of competition you have in Europe.

How much J.League have you watched?

 

[Gazza]

Bet you can't wait for us to join Leeds and Leicester.

On the contrary

 

[Gazza]

Despite Levy and his reputation, we're still a massive gig for most managers. Regular top 4-6 finishers (despite this season) in the PL, still a fairly talented squad + arguably the most complete striker in world football, great wages compared to most clubs (at least outside the PL), world class infrastructure - there's plenty to be excited about. Which is why the reported refusals should be taken with a big pinch of salt, IMO.

Just choked by levy

 

[tommysvr]

Good press conference given a bit of insight to Ange's personality: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23562335.every-word-ange-postecoglou-said-tottenham-celtic/

Celtic manager Ange Postecoglou delivered an impassioned press conference on Thursday amid continued interest in his services from Tottenham Hotspur.

The 57-year-old has moved onto the Premier League side’s radar as their protracted search for a successor to Antonio Conte drags on. But with a Scottish Cup final against Inverness Caledonian Thistle on Saturday, Postecoglou strongly insisted he simply cannot afford to think about anything else as Celtic go in pursuit of a world-record eighth domestic treble.

Here is every word Postecoglou had to say about his future as he sat down with daily newspapers.

There’s so much talk about Tottenham – is there anything you can say about it?

“It’s of interest to people and that’s understandable, but it’s just not in my world. It’s not the first time it has happened this year and I have been pretty consistent in making people understand what I am about and what I am like. I’ve got too big a game on Saturday for this football club to be contemplating any matter other than us being ready for Saturday. Within here there is no talk about it. I get it there is more in your work space. You think, ‘jeez, it’s everywhere.’ In here we are talking about Saturday and talking about being ready and training and making sure we have an opportunity to do something special in terms of our season. It doesn’t penetrate. It’s not as distracting as people may think it is. Obviously I have to address questions from the outside, but internally it’s not like people are walking around thinking about anything other than being ready for Saturday."

Will that change after the game on Saturday?

“There are a million things to think about after Saturday, including the holiday I am going to have. To look beyond that, I just can’t do. I can’t see anything past the game because that’s what I have always done. I mean this is not the first time this has happened this year. I think I have been pretty consistent in saying it doesn’t enter my field of thought when there is something so big in front of me. That’s where my responsibility lies to this football club.

This seems to carry a bit more weight than other links?

“This time last week it was a different story. It was somebody else linked. That’s just the way it works. Whether it carries weight or not what is important to know is that it makes no difference to me. It makes no difference to the way I behave or think or prepare. I didn’t wake up this morning thinking about anything other than getting training right and making sure we are ready for Saturday. I understand that’s not how everyone else thinks. But you are not invested in this football club. You are not Celtic supporters. You are not part of this club like I am, and the players are. Saturday means everything to us, everything. So it doesn’t enter my sphere that I am going to be distracted – as I hope the players wouldn’t be – by matters in their own lives. If our focus is not on Saturday then the stories become very, very different after the game. The questions become very, very different.”

What have you said to the people who advise and represent you?

“They know better than to ask me anything this week mate, let me tell you. They know me very well. They wouldn’t dare ask me about anything.”

So, no conversation about Spurs this week?

“No. I know you find that surprising. I haven’t spoken to them [my representatives] about a million other things going on here as well. It’s not just about me. This football club is planning for next year, planning to bring players in. There is a full range of conversations going on, but my focus is on making sure we win a game of football which is very, very important to us.”

Texts from Celtic fans haven’t been about the cup final, they’ve been about what’s happening with you...

“What will they be texting if we don’t win on Saturday? I will tell you what they will be texting. And that’s the trick, isn’t it? You all want to take me there, but I know what is most important right now and that is not the most important thing. Because there are players who aren’t here next year, very much so. Absolutely. So, the story on Saturday is not going to be anything other than, ‘did we win?’ Because if we don’t win then I can’t answer those questions if I am sitting here talking about something other than winning on Saturday. That’s hard for you to understand, I know that, because you are not me. You are not in my skin, you don’t live and breathe this job that I have and what Saturday means to me, these players, this football club. There is nothing more important – apart from my family obviously – than that game.”

But it doesn’t have to be one thing or the other, you can walk and chew gum at the same time?

“Why? Who says that? Do you think the person who wins The Masters or Wimbledon thinks about all these other things [that you’re thinking about]? Or does he think about winning? I am talking about elite sport here. Maybe you don’t understand or conceptualise that. But it is not just elite sport, it is anything you want to do in life; do you think people who achieve things and teams who achieve things can be that easily distracted that they chew gum and walk at the same time? You really think that’s the message? You think I’ll walk into training and say ‘hey boys, what are we all doing after training? Let’s go out and have a drink and relax.’ No, mate, it is not how it works."

But can you compartmentalise?

“I’d love you to be in my shoes and know what my world is and make sure that on Saturday, we perform to the levels we can. You don’t understand that because you’d love the opposite to happen. You’d love for there to be a story that we aren’t successful. That would rock your world. Not because you want ill of me, but that would be unbelievable - imagine the headlines you could come up with. That is what generates interest. I have lived that; every weekend we have a game there are only two stories that can be told.

Is the reality that if you don’t win on Saturday, it will be ‘Celtic were distracted by talk of Ange going to Spurs?’

“Spot on. You’ve got that headline ready. That is the truth. The fact I have spent 25 minutes to get you guys to understand that’s not what’s happening, eventually that story gets out. That is why I am on super alert because I am not going to allow anyone to say that.”

Can you understand fans’ anxiety with the situation, though?

“I understand that, and I understand yourselves because you have a job to do. In your world this is the talk of everything. I understand all that. But I am kind of hoping that maybe people understand me. If they don’t, I get it and it is not interesting and it is a lot more mundane, and people think I am going to bat these things away because it works in my favour. It is not what I am about. I will do what I think is the most important thing in my role for the next four days, as I would in any other case, and that is to try and get the team to win the Scottish Cup.”

Clearly you have put heart and soul into Celtic. You’ll have done that everywhere, but is it different here?

“No. I do hope I have put everything into it. The ramifications of what I have done is greater here because of the passion and the interest here. Not that there was less passion in Japan and Australia or anywhere else I have worked, it was still there, but just the intensity of the interest here means that it is all encompassing. It means you deal with a lot more. I have yet to see somebody who walks and chews gum and is really, really successful. If anything what people have told me is you’ve got to get more balance in your life and I keep saying there is no balance. Apart from family, this is it.”

Is being that driven natural to you?

“I don’t know if it’s natural but that’s how I’m wired, how I am where I am. You’ve got to remember, from where I started 26 years ago, to be here I’ve had to be almost perfect in my coaching. Any missteps along the way and I would have struggled to get anywhere near European football, and now I’m at such a massive club. I’ve had to be driven, that was the only way I could see it happening. I couldn’t do it if I was just dipping my toe into things.”

I particularly like that last answer.

 

[tommysvr]

Continued

From coming in two years ago to the speculation this week, there’s been constant talk around you…

“Yeah, and that’s where the discipline comes in. I’ve never worried. As you all know, when I came here it wasn’t as if I was getting great reviews. People say I handled it really well, but the reason I handled it well is the same reason I’m sitting here handling this. That’s who I am. I’m not trying to pretend to be something I’m not – I would never have survived that early period if I wasn’t able to be really focused on my role and not get distracted by things being said about me, whether that’s before or after I started. There was kindness too, and that’s fair enough because no one knew who I was.”

Do you think about life after Celtic?

“No, because I’ve never done that my whole career. Starting off in Australia, I don’t know how you could chart a course to where I am today, apart from one way and that’s doing the job I’m doing the best as I can, trying to be successful and seeing where that takes me. I’ve never said: ‘I’m going to go from here, to there, then to there.’ Every move I’ve made is because I thought there was another good challenge, something that’s going to get me growth. I love a challenge: ‘There’s another one, that’s where I’m going to go next’. But it’s not been in the sense that I’m going to do two years here, three years there, five years there and move on.”

Has the Premier League always been a long term goal?

“Not a goal. This football club plays in the Champions League, like everyone else I want to be competing at the highest possible level, wherever that may be. That’s how I got to a World Cup with Australia because I wanted to test myself against the best teams in the world. All of us, that’s what we want to do. It’s not like I’ve said: ‘Right, in five years’ time I’m going to take over the national team and go to a World Cup.’ It landed on my doorstep at the right time, because there’s so many things that need to be aligned for these things to happen.”

You’ve said you struggled to get interviews in the past – do you take satisfaction from being linked with these clubs?

“That would be me being driven by those external things. Well, maybe not driven by it but what I’m trying to say is I’ve always had my own self-belief as to what I could do. That’s what sustains me. Whether other people saw that or not, it’s out of my control – all these other things are out of my control. I can’t change people’s perception of me or what they think of me. All I can do, is do the job to the best of my ability, stuff that I really love, enjoy and am passionate about, until the day comes when I’m not able to do it anymore. Then I can be satisfied that I’ve given everything to the thing that I was most passionate about in my life, apart from my family. I’ve loved football from the moment I can remember and wanted to have a life in football. When I get to the end, I want to look back and make sure that I’ve done that.”

A young man’s game these days – do you still have so much to do in a finite time?

“I don’t think about that, because if you start thinking that the clock is ticking or you won’t get opportunities… whatever’s going to be in the rest of my football career as a manager will happen because I do what I do well. That’s the only thing I can control. I can’t control anything else. I could be the most successful coach ever and people might not give me an opportunity because they say ‘he’s Australian’, or ‘he’s over the age that’s acceptable’. If they want to find something, they will. But it’s not going to stop me doing what I want to do.”

Whenever you do leave, you'll be leaving a lot behind...

"Absolutely. That's why I'm so determined to try to deliver on Saturday. I'm all in here. The support I've had is unbelievable, throughout the whole club and how the supporters have embraced me. I'm all in here. You can't be all in if you are thinking about something else. It just doesn't work like that. That's why Saturday is so important to me. I really feel this is an opportunity to cap off a really special year for this group of players, the staff and for everyone involved at the football club and our supporters. That's where my focus is."

 

[Surfless]

That is a really compelling read, he was pushed hard to show some chink of light that he might be considering a Spurs offer and didn't budge.

His determination and focus are admirable. Caley are not going to be able to hold a candle to his side given the gap between Scottish champions and the team who finished sixth in their second tier, yet all he is focused on is the final.

If this has been his mantra in other clubs I'd be interested to see how he handles it when things go wrong. Does he boil over or just double down? I suspect the latter.

Seems an interesting and compelling bloke, wouldn't mind having a Tottenham squad with that never give up attitude - bolt that onto his style of football and we could have a good time.

 

[DubaiSpur]

He’s the best candidate left that enic have the ability to identify, that can work in the constraints enic put on the club and who would be willing to work medium to long term within those constraints.

Therefore he has my full backing whilst enic (unfortunately) remain the owners of the club.

This is the crux of it - there's another man out there in Marcelo Gallardo who achieved miracles with a recently relegated River Plate, is younger, and would 100% be interested in the role given he's worked with far larger basket cases than us and turned them into champions of South America multiple times.

We don't appear to have even registered that he's available. Instead we're seemingly going all in on Ange from Celtic, who play in a tinpot league your grandmother could probably win without getting out of bed.

If he's appointed, he has my backing, same as any other coach. And frankly I like him on a personal level - the things @tommysvr has been posting about him have convinced me in that sense, and he seems a good human being and a humble, self-assured bloke.

But Nuno was, too. And I'm not going to sit here and pretend he isn't the cheap and easy option, mate - and I agree with you on the constraints ENIC sadly impose in that regard.

 

[kb 1984]

That is a really compelling read, he was pushed hard to show some chink of light that he might be considering a Spurs offer and didn't budge.

His determination and focus are admirable. Caley are not going to be able to hold a candle to his side given the gap between Scottish champions and the team who finished sixth in their second tier, yet all he is focused on is the final.

If this has been his mantra in other clubs I'd be interested to see how he handles it when things go wrong. Does he boil over or just double down? I suspect the latter.

Seems an interesting and compelling bloke, wouldn't mind having a Tottenham squad with that never give up attitude - bolt that onto his style of football and we could have a good time.

I am a Ange fan having watched his side's play. When things go wrong he works harder & will expect the same from the players. He believes in what he does. He won't boil over that we will no about.he certainly won't do a Conte for the world to see

 

[DubaiSpur]

Not necessarily. Someone's coaching style, albeit at a lower level league, may translate perfectly to a higher level league. What's important is for the scouting team to be able to see this. And neither you nor I have those qualifications.

And I think it is generally accepted that it is more of a risk one way than another - you can see that, surely. A man, or woman, who coached in the Zimbabwean Third Division being an instant success in the PL is likely to be a rarer occurrence than a PL coach being successful in the Zimbabwean Third Division.

There's nothing abnormal about that - that's just life. The question is if it's a good way to run a football club.

And forgive me if I'm not all that confident in the record of this 'scouting team with qualifications' - seems to me a blind donkey could have done a better job scouting some of the dross we've signed down the years than that lot.

 

[AjaxDeSuperYids]

This is the crux of it - there's another man out there in Marcelo Gallardo who achieved miracles with a recently relegated River Plate, is younger, and would 100% be interested in the role given he's worked with far larger basket cases than us and turned them into champions of South America multiple times.

We don't appear to have even registered that he's available. Instead we're seemingly going all in on Ange from Celtic, who play in a tinpot league your grandmother could probably win without getting out of bed.

If he's appointed, he has my backing, same as any other coach. And frankly I like him on a personal level - the things @tommysvr has been posting about him have convinced me in that sense, and he seems a good human being and a humble, self-assured bloke.

But Nuno was, too. And I'm not going to sit here and pretend he isn't the cheap and easy option, mate - and I agree with you on the constraints ENIC sadly impose in that regard.

I think it would be distinctly cruel for Gallardo’s first job in European football to be with Spurs working for enic and the mess we currently find ourselves in!

 

[DubaiSpur]

I think it would be distinctly cruel for Gallardo’s first job in European football to be with Spurs working for enic and the mess we currently find ourselves in!

Haha - that much is for sure, although if he ends up succeeding even with Deadweight Dan hovering over him, we'd need to build him a statue with cojones so large they touch the plinth!