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Micky van de Ven

JerusalemMan said:
The hell?
Why would you say that?
Why make that negative assumption - you could equally have said that Mickey might be having shaky mental-health and the club is being careful and discrete with him.
We don't know and, until the club says something (which they are not obliged to), it's all-too easy for anonymous big-mouths to fill the gap.
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There's definitely something fishy going on. Romero and Maddison completely disappearing, players missing long past their return dates.
 
Kompakted said:
He's f**ked. It's a chronic problem. Like sessegnon. He will never play a full season for us. If you can name a player that came back from multiple serious hamstring injuries in the space of 18 months I will change my profile name to silly mcsilly face
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According to Google;
Kane
Torres
Beckham

Pleased to meet you Mr McSilly Face
(To be fair, feel free to check the 18 months bit - I wouldn't hang my hat on that!)
 
Gutter Boy said:
There's definitely something fishy going on. Romero and Maddison completely disappearing, players missing long past their return dates.
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It's exactly what happens in squads when results are poor and confidence in the manager is low.

Are we different? Perhaps. But unlikely.
The scarcity of the injuried players outwardly backing Ange is a big indicator of an issue
 
braineclipse said:
Tired minds, tired bodies. But also for the Villa game for example with 4 (?) teenagers starting. First start for Tel. Still a rather rare start for 17 year old Moore. Bergvall imo has weaknesses in his positional game.

These factors weren't there in the first part of the season and the system worked much better.
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True, but I was trying to think what factors were in play in all those bad performances that punctuated the good stuff we saw. Surely some of what we saw at the weekend was in those frustrating games where we didn't turn up pre-injury crisis. As an example, I felt we were certainly susceptible to that pass down the channels for an opposition overload in that period.
 
monkeybarry said:
According to Google;
Kane
Torres
Beckham

Pleased to meet you Mr McSilly Face
(To be fair, feel free to check the 18 months bit - I wouldn't hang my hat on that!)
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I don't think Kane had significant hamstring injuries did he? Wasn't it ankle related?

Don't remember Beckham having significant hamstring problems either or any really significant lay offs really.

Did Torres come back? From what I remember he was a shadow of a player afterwards?
 
Kompakted said:
I don't think Kane had significant hamstring injuries did he? Wasn't it ankle related?

Don't remember Beckham having significant hamstring problems either or any really significant lay offs really.

Did Torres come back? From what I remember he was a shadow of a player afterwards?
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Kane tore his hamstring around 2019. He was out for a good bit with it but can't remember any other hamstring injuries for him.
 
Kompakted said:
I don't think Kane had significant hamstring injuries did he? Wasn't it ankle related?

Don't remember Beckham having significant hamstring problems either or any really significant lay offs really.

Did Torres come back? From what I remember he was a shadow of a player afterwards?
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Oh, I see - you're going to use semantics (or those pesky facts!) to get out of the name change now?!

Torres did come back. He was brick. But he came back.
 
DubSpur said:
Kane tore his hamstring around 2019. He was out for a good bit with it but can't remember any other hamstring injuries for him.
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Fair enough. I think you can certainly come back from one serious hamstring injury. Saying that I do think that period coincides with Kane losing mobility and dropping deeper rather than playing as an aggressive central striker and while he continued to score sh** loads he stopped being as dynamic or effective in his pressing and our game suffered and probably contributed to our slide from pre 2019 standards. His form for England in terms of general play started to decline around that point too. He's been a statue in recent international tournaments
 
Wasn't there a somewhat random tweet that said club feared MVDV would be out for the rest of the season and needed surgery?

Could it be that was always correct but club were (and maybe still are) 'managing' the news/PR to let the (eventual) news out slowly?
 
Kompakted said:
Fair enough. I think you can certainly come back from one serious hamstring injury. Saying that I do think that period coincides with Kane losing mobility and dropping deeper rather than playing as an aggressive central striker and while he continued to score sh** loads he stopped being as dynamic or effective in his pressing and our game suffered and probably contributed to our slide from pre 2019 standards. His form for England in terms of general play started to decline around that point too. He's been a statue in recent international tournaments
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He's been a statue in tournaments because he plays every game and is run into the ground. On top of that he has been coming back from injury and not fully fit.
 
harr1984 said:
Or there's nothing fishy going on at all, and the club are simply being more cautious with the return of players given what has happened this season and focus going to be on the Europa League somewhat....
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They weren't being so careful that VDV didn't get some time on the pitch against Elfsborg.

The logical conclusion is that he's broken down again to some extent after that game-time exposure.
 
Mikey10 said:
They weren't being so careful that VDV didn't get some time on the pitch against Elfsborg.

The logical conclusion is that he's broken down again to some extent after that game-time exposure.
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They were cautious enough to only give him 45 minutes of that game, a game where he barely had to break out of second gear. Of course it is the case that he suffered some form of reaction/setback, no mystery there and naturally being as careful as logically possible. It happens with players everywhere, no matter how careful a club is there are no guarantees a player won't suffer a setback, there's nothing 'fishy' about it.

Can't really win, players return and get played and then injured again - Anges fault, must of rushed them back. Injury prone players out for a while with no set return date, must be something dodgy going on.....
 
harr1984 said:
They were cautious enough to only give him 45 minutes of that game, a game where he barely had to break out of second gear. Of course it is the case that he suffered some form of reaction/setback, no mystery there and naturally being as careful as logically possible. It happens with players everywhere, no matter how careful a club is there are no guarantees a player won't suffer a setback, there's nothing 'fishy' about it.

Can't really win, players return and get played and then injured again - Anges fault, must of rushed them back. Injury prone players out for a while with no set return date, must be something dodgy going on.....
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Both could be true, of course - as could neither.
 
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