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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

Robspur12 said:
Then where does that put Roberto Di Matteo? Should he be our manager? Do you think Pellegrini having won one of the big prizes with City will do a better job at West Ham than Poch at Spurs?
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Mate, I’ve said Poch is in the top 3 coaches in the world. That means he’s above the likes of the two you mentioned. But Klopp for example has won trophies AND also got to the top and most importantly stayed there. The coaches you mentioned either won cups either by sheer fluke (RDM) or won the league with more resources at his disposal than anyone else (Pelligrini). Klopp is a fantastic coach who also plays great football and he has the trophies to back up his resume. I’d be gutted if we lost Poch this season. Having said that there comes a point where you have to win something.
 
glasgowspur said:
Sack poch and bring in moyes, de matteo or Martinez.
theyve at least won something.
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Not one person has said that. Just that he has to win a trophy to be considered the best coach on the planet. Considering what his peers have achieved I don’t think that’s a controversial statement.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Mate, I’ve said Poch is in the top 3 coaches in the world. That means he’s above the likes of the two you mentioned. But Klopp for example has won trophies AND also got to the top and most importantly stayed there. The coaches you mentioned either won cups either by sheer fluke (RDM) or won the league with more resources at his disposal than anyone else (Pelligrini). Klopp is a fantastic coach who also plays great football and he has the trophies to back up his resume. I’d be gutted if we lost Poch this season. Having said that there comes a point where you have to win something.
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Or what? Swap him for a better model? There are only 2 others better than him (according to you).

It just stinks of a lack of appreciation and patience.
 
Amazing how people lack context, and how disagreeing with a point of view is "religious"

Let's really discuss achievement

Pre Poch we had qualified for CL? once/twice? with QF as furthest reached? now we have qualified 4 seasons in a row with finals made
We also have placed in top 4 regularly, even in fact being in

So progress is there

So lets talk about winning stuff
- How many teams win stuff? this season in England = 2 with City winning all the domestic
- You have to put some measure on the economic gap (Pool's squad in final cost 3.5X ours with close to 2X the wages)

Poch has made two finals with us and we have failed, to put in context, Klopp failed in 6 in a row before Saturday.

Yes, we have to grab one of the chances that we do all the hard work to get to.

However, we need to really evaluate if it's over expectation vs underachievement and the best answer I can give is Levy's measurement
- Poch has shared that Levy only "expected" CL qualification for the first season of Stadium .. and we are ahead of plan.
 
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ricky2tricky4city said:
Or what? Swap him for a better model? There are only 2 others better than him (according to you).

It just stinks of a lack of appreciation and patience.
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Think you may be misunderstanding. I’d be gutted to lose him as our manager. I don’t want him replaced with a younger model. I’m saying I don’t believe he is the best coach in the world when there are two other coaches in the same league who have won multiple titles and have now both won the champions league. Neither are remotely comparable to the likes of Rafa Benitez, di Matteo or pelligrini who have won trophies. Klopp and Guardiola have both had sustained periods of success with multiple clubs whereas the others I listed only achieved very short bursts of success and have fallen down in the pecking order in terms of managers who the top clubs would go for it they needed to fill a vacancy. As things stand today I think most clubs would want Guardiola and Klopp above Poch but Poch would be the very next person after perhaps with Ancelloti being in the top 5 Not to mention Simeone who has won trophies with less resources than Barca and Madrid which also deserves huge credit.
 
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The “sooner or later he has to win something” comment was more in terms of being considered the best coach in the world. Not that he has to win something or he needs to be replaced by us. I hope he stays with us as long as he wants to be here.
 
I don’t believe football is just about winning trophies. Over the last 4 years I’ve really looked forward to watching us because the style of play has been excellent, the players are likable and we’ve won most of our games. I got far far more out of that than our league cup wins. Feeling on top of the world on a Monday going to work and looking forward to the following weekends games. It’s brought me such joy. BMJ started that process but Pochs brought it to a new level.

The CL this season brought the two most emotional moments for me as a fan. The City one was a breakneck roller coaster ride because of how quickly the emotions changed and how extreme they were due to the importance of the occasion. The Ajax one was pure joy and disbelief because we achieved something I didn’t think we ever would during my lifetime. Both worth far more than the league cup wins in my book.

I also think the CL run this season has seen us shed the sexy tag.

Pochs had us competing for the CL and PL against all odds. As long as I’m supporting this club we’d never done either. It’s been a slow, patient process to get this far. Let’s not get impatient now because he’s on the verge of taking that final step with us.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Think you may be misunderstanding. I’d be gutted to lose him as our manager. I don’t want him replaced with a younger model. I’m saying I don’t believe he is the best coach in the world when there are two other coaches in the same league who have won multiple titles and have now both won the champions league. Neither are remotely comparable to the likes of Rafa Benitez, di Matteo or pelligrini who have won trophies. Klopp and Guardiola have both had sustained periods of success with multiple clubs whereas the others I listed only achieved very short bursts of success and have fallen down in the pecking order in terms of managers who the top clubs would go for it they needed to fill a vacancy. As things stand today I think most clubs would want Guardiola and Klopp above Poch but Poch would be the very next person after perhaps with Ancelloti being in the top 5 Not to mention Simeone who has won trophies with less resources than Barca and Madrid which also deserves huge credit.
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I'm not misunderstanding. You said you're not quite at Nigey levels yet. You said it makes you cringe when people say he's the best manager (although qualifying it) because he's not won anything. You said there comes a point where you have to win something. You said the learning line can only be used for so long.

All that sounds like you're putting him on the clock.

You're looking to pick holes.

I've stated the club's he's managed. That's why he's probably not won anything. He apologises for not being chosen to take the superclub route.

I get it. He's failing you. Get some perspective.

It's insulting to his 5 years work.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I'm not misunderstanding. You said you're not quite at Nigey levels yet. You said it makes you cringe when people say he's the best manager (although qualifying it) because he's not won anything. You said there comes a point where you have to win something. You said the learning line can only be used for so long.

All that sounds like you're putting him on the clock.

You're looking to pick holes.

I've stated the club's he's managed. That's why he's probably not won anything. He apologises for not being chosen to take the superclub route.

I get it. He's failing you. Get some perspective.

It's insulting to his 5 years work.
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Mate, firstly, I didn’t compare my views on Poch to nigeyman, i believe robspur did.

Secondly, I’ve not said he’s failing me. I want him to remain as our manager for as long as he wants to be here and is motivated.

I mean in terms of people calling him the best coach in Europe he has to win something in my opinion. I don’t think that’s controversial considering what Guardiola and Klopp have achieved albeit with greater resources. Klopp took over a Liverpool team that hadn’t been in the CL for a few years to a points total that would have won the league in any other season and back to back CL finals with a CL title to his name. Poch has been a manager for 10 years. He’s not on a clock but there will come a point when people expect him to deliver trophies that’s just how football works. That doesn’t mean next season or the one after.

I appreciate the guy immensely. He represents our club with class and dignity. I just find it hard to call him the greatest coach in the world when there are other coaches in the same league who have achieved success over sustained periods.
 
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