braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
it's united, players will always want to play for united, arguably the biggest club in the world
And one of the richest, and that won't go away just from missing out on CL football for a season.
it's united, players will always want to play for united, arguably the biggest club in the world
I actually don't think it takes a lot for a player to view a club differently. Just a year of struggling, no CL, senior players leaving/kicking up a fuss etc can see clubs leapfrog them in a player's mind. This whole Club A is bigger than Club B thing is merely just a "my dad's bigger than your dad" type thing between fans, it's the here, now and short term future that matters to these players - along with a bag full of cash obviously.
i was over the moon when draxler signed a new contract with schalke, i thought thers no chance hed ever go arsenal. i cant believe utd, city(although they tried in the summer) and chelsea arnt going for him. hes perfect for those teams and wayyyy more suited to united than mata - these teams are really missing a trick if they dont go for him - he has it all. id rather he go anywhere than arsenal.
i thought this was our chance this year but ozil draxler at arsenal, mata shaw and whoever else at united. i fear we"ll never break them now
lamela needs to step up!!
This all goes back to the last two seasons when we have failed to topple arsenal to CL
A lot of people in here said that we should not be thinking about arsenal etc.
Sorry but if you are from North london and have to interact with these arrogant self satisfying ****s you'd understand why it was so important to get one over on them.
Not only are their fans goading us but so are their players (Ozil, Walcott doing the 2-0 signs recently)
We are to blame for arsenal's recent ascendency, the likes of ozil and draxler would not be looking at them if they were not in the CL
GB says we need a new stadium and a DOF who will work with the 1st team coach to move forward. I say we need a new mentality - from the manager, the chairman and the fans
if we buy shaw (strengthening us, weakening utd) another striker and a top class centre back then we can compete. whats a stadium have to do with who we buy??? we always buy, its about buying smart and not letting everyone else get ahead. stop using the stadium as excuses for our lack of smart moves and forsight. winning games is what elevates clubs!!!! not stadiums. this is football not a concert
if all of a sudden we were given the nou camp would that make us win more games????
players on the pitch win games!!! not how many chairs there are
I think the gooners best players left for a chance to win something.
why is everybody missing the point and keep blaming the stadium. its not just the stadium/money its the DECISIONS we make at the crucial time that gets good players.
chelsea and man utd have the stadium and the money and the trophies i.e more pull than arsenal but they have made the DECISION not to buy somebody like draxler. that decision will be costly and is not down to money or the stadium - ITS DOWN TO THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE NOT IDENTIFYING THE RIGHT DECISIONS FOR THE TEAM.
avb once said chelsea would never sell mata to a rival. lets say we wanted mata, we never would have got him because we wouldnt of tried based upon an assumption. then utd come along and take him. that wouldnt be down to a stadium or money. its down to poor decisions
we need to stop seeing these managers and directors as people with extraordinary intelligence and knowledge. they are prone to mistakes like everybody else. so sometimes not getting the right player can be down to something simple and not something elaborate like wages or a stadium
if chelsea or utd bid for draxler (who hes perfect for) i find it hard to imagine draxler would still chose arsenal. him going to arsenal is not down to money or stadium - its down to a poor DECISION by chelsea and utd and whoever else fails to identify his talent/value and the opportunity
chelsea sell mata, then have the money for draxler but opt a) for salah instead of draxler which results in b) draxler going to arsenal which then results in c) chelsea becoming weaker and allowing arsenal to become stronger. this is not stadium or money talking. this is DECISIONS made by individuals
in a nutshell - chelsea and united have more "right" than arsenal to bigger signings and most people thought arsenal wouldnt make top 4 this year but in the space of a few months somehow they have ozil and will likely have draxler in their first 11. thats not the stadium or wages offered - thats somebody at arsenal being alert to the market and taking advantage of certain situations and all of a sudden they go from an apparant weak team to having the 2 best signings and sit top of the league
Seriously? Both your shift keys are broken, but your caps lock still works? What's the odds of that.
Somewhat on topic: You think we could have signed Mata head of United this transfer window? Seriously?
thats not what i said at all. the point was missed, nevermind
"lets say we wanted mata, we never would have got him because we wouldnt of tried based upon an assumption. then utd come along and take him. that wouldnt be down to a stadium or money. its down to poor decisions"
What does this part meant then? It's the only part of your post that seems to be a specific Spurs-related example...
i said "lets say".
im just making the point that EVEN IF WE DID want him we wouldn't have a chance because of a stupid reason which was our manager (at the time) thought chelsea wouldnt sell him. that wasnt down to a stadium or wages it would be down to the manager being half asleep while another manager is more active. mata wouldnt go spurs anyway but the point is if AVB was managing utd they woudnt of got mata due to the managers mentality that they cant get him. redknapp for example always punched above his weight when it came to transfers and alot of the time got away with it - not down to offering wages or bigger stadiums but by simply being active while other managers were half asleep.
its not just stadiums and wages which bring players to clubs its astute moves by managers.
arsenal in my opinion have no right to have ozil and draxler on their books but that didnt stop wenger going for them - and lo and behold they got them because the time they went for them the other managers were half asleep going for other players assuming the likes of ozil and draxler were unavailable.
The problem is that we will always end up being the club that young up coming players will come to who want first team football. Once they have kicked on to the next level we lose their services in a flash, the idea is for us to get a bunch of young developing players all come through at once.
This is why I don't get how people cannot see that establishing ourselves in the top four is everything right now. We will never just jump from 5th to 1st, we need years in the top four/ECL to build a base before pushing on. I'm pretty sure I've heard it on here before that Levy wants regular CL football to help with the building of the stadium. Emirates Marketing Project got away with their "project" because top players came for the money, but even they had to go through a season of fighting for top four. As soon as they got it they became title contenders as the very best players signed up. Now players come to them not so much for the money, but to come and play with the best in the world.
Totally agree with this. We had long term plan with Bale and Modric. That plan evaporated in a flash
how so? the players may no longer be here but the money which we sold them for has been reinvested in the team, meaning the 'long term plan' is still in full effect