Just Where Are The Club Going?

[Viper]

I think we have returned to plan A. Redknapp was plan B, an emergency measure brought in when plan A wasn't working.

 

[Spursalot]

We finished 4th, which was punching above our weight even with the players we had.

But what if we had signed Parker BEFORE the City/Utd games? We may have got a point from one of them (which would have seen us finish 3rd). But no, despite Redknapp wanting him all Summer we left it to the very last minute to get both him and Ade in. In the Summer when it was clear we needed to strengthen with some quality, we fudged around and ended up having to sign a couple of oldies on short term contracts to plug the squad gaps.

I'm sorry but this isn't about Redknapp or AVB. This is about a Chairman who has routinely fudged about in the transfer windows, and Managers getting fired when in reality they had little chance to succeed because their targets were not secured and worse than that, the attempted purchase of the targets was left so late in the day that decent alternatives could also NOT be found.

Agreed about parker, Ade was a last minute thing for a reason. City wanted to sell him, not loan him.

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

I think we have returned to plan A. Redknapp was plan B, an emergency measure brought in when plan A wasn't working.

Agreed. Let's hope Levy sticks with a plan for a change too. There is no point getting in a young manager if you are only going to give them two or three seasons or fire them the first time they hit a poor run of form (Hoddle & Jol instantly spring to mind).

 

[THFC6061]

Just Where Are The Club Going?

About 150 yards further north up the High Road.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Agreed. Let's hope Levy sticks with a plan for a change too. There is no point getting in a young manager if you are only going to give them two or three seasons or fire them the first time they hit a poor run of form (Hoddle & Jol instantly spring to mind).

I would like to think AVB will turn it around. But I'm not convinced. Levy should have simply added a tactical coach to HRs team. Harry was all for a large diverse set of specialist coaches - which is a good idea.

I would not be surprised if where we are going is back - back to HR in about a month. Whether Levy will sanction such a backward step is another question.

Apologies for the dampener, I could be completely wrong and once we get the many new inexperienced players integrated, we'll be a svelte, tactically advanced unit in the CL. Fingers crossed.

 

[Jurgen the German]

We finished 4th, which was punching above our weight even with the players we had.

But what if we had signed Parker BEFORE the City/Utd games? We may have got a point from one of them (which would have seen us finish 3rd). But no, despite Redknapp wanting him all Summer we left it to the very last minute to get both him and Ade in. In the Summer when it was clear we needed to strengthen with some quality, we fudged around and ended up having to sign a couple of oldies on short term contracts to plug the squad gaps.

I'm sorry but this isn't about Redknapp or AVB. This is about a Chairman who has routinely fudged about in the transfer windows, and Managers getting fired when in reality they had little chance to succeed because their targets were not secured and worse than that, the attempted purchase of the targets was left so late in the day that decent alternatives could also NOT be found.

=D>

We might as well just write off the first two games of every season. You are dead right about Parker, you can be damn sure we would have been better in midfield in those games with him rather than Kranjcar and Livermore. The season is 38 games, not 36.

 

[THFC6061]

=D>

We might as well just write off the first two games of every season. You are dead right about Parker, you can be damn sure we would have been better in midfield in those games with him rather than Kranjcar and Livermore. The season is 38 games, not 36.

The obvious answer is to close the transfer window before the Premier League season starts.

If you're really looking to blame someone, try the FA and UEFA.

 

[Jurgen the German]

The obvious answer is to close the transfer window before the Premier League season starts.

If you're really looking to blame someone, try the FA and UEFA.

I would agree with that. It would also stop players refusing to play in the first few games to force a move.

But were stuck with the system we have I'm afraid, and the club's hierarchy never seem to learn from their mistakes.

 

[par_18]

Glenn Hoddle would do a great job with this team.

 

[Raziel]

I would not be surprised if where we are going is back - back to HR in about a month. Whether Levy will sanction such a backward step is another question.

Apologies for the dampener, I could be completely wrong and once we get the many new inexperienced players integrated, we'll be a svelte, tactically advanced unit in the CL. Fingers crossed.

The cynic would say it may be a race between us and Pool for Harry. It would be a truly desperate move for the club that I don't see happening

I agree that the window should close before season begins. I don't agree we purposely do the brinkmanship thing, we got Sig/Vert/Dembele before, Lloris/Moutinho was obviously a ton of posturing by their clubs, and imo there clubs trying to create a bidding war, see if any of the big boys would be interested. Dempsey was obviously an option, either if we didn't get a top striker or just if he was available at right price, again his club didn't initially want to sell, and they were other clubs offering.

 

[spitshine]

I would like to think AVB will turn it around. But I'm not convinced. Levy should have simply added a tactical coach to HRs team. Harry was all for a large diverse set of specialist coaches - which is a good idea.

I would not be surprised if where we are going is back - back to HR in about a month. Whether Levy will sanction such a backward step is another question.

Apologies for the dampener, I could be completely wrong and once we get the many new inexperienced players integrated, we'll be a svelte, tactically advanced unit in the CL. Fingers crossed.

Now, that would be the sensible option if things don't work out after say 10-15 games of AVB. Its all about Levy's ego and if he can swallow his pride
to ask him back. If it dosen't work out, well, we already know this is a transitional season.
I know a decent minority of people on this board think going on about Harry is a waste because that is history. But what many don't realize is he was part of our recent glorious history. Uncharted territory into the CL.

I can't fathom how some can move on so quickly and forget this. Then again, we are a fickle bunch aren't we?!

 

[milo]

If the board felt that they couldn't work with Harry anymore in July, it would be completely wrong to bring him back.

The board made a decision to bring AVB in, they must've seen something in him to appoint him and discussed and agreed shared plans for the team/club. They should have the courage of their convictions to see it through and support their appointment.

 

[rosenthal]

I would like to think AVB will turn it around. But I'm not convinced. Levy should have simply added a tactical coach to HRs team. Harry was all for a large diverse set of specialist coaches - which is a good idea.
I would not be surprised if where we are going is back - back to HR in about a month. Whether Levy will sanction such a backward step is another question.

You think Harry would have accepted a tactical specialist to come into his team and talk to him about football and tactics? Really?

Levy won't go back to Harry, if he need to change things he'll turn to someone like Moyes.

 

[Spursalot]

Now, that would be the sensible option if things don't work out after say 10-15 games of AVB. Its all about Levy's ego and if he can swallow his pride
to ask him back. If it dosen't work out, well, we already know this is a transitional season.
I know a decent minority of people on this board think going on about Harry is a waste because that is history. But what many don't realize is he was part of our recent glorious history. Uncharted territory into the CL.

I can't fathom how some can move on so quickly and forget this. Then again, we are a fickle bunch aren't we?!

No. That would be the silly option.


We removed him for reasons. Those reasons don't suddenly disappear if his successor happens to do worse then him.


(whatever reasons you believe)

 

[rosenthal]

People need to move on, Harry is gone and won't return.
If they are booing and working against AVB because they wan't Harry back then they aren't really having the clubs best interest at heart.

 

[milo]

People need to move on, Harry is gone and won't return.
If they are booing and working against AVB because they wan't Harry back then they aren't really having the clubs best interest at heart.

Spot on

 

[SpurMeUp]

Agree with most of the above. There is history with HR and the board and it obviously wasn't all roses - else he would have had a new contract.

What did the board see in AVB? A bargain maybe. A manager that would have cost multiple times more - how much did chel$ea spunk on AVB? With partners - of any description - you always seek what the current one does not possess [your with a bird with big tits, but attracted to slim flat chested athletic filles! Enough about me :} In this case, AVB is someone who toes the club line, doesn't spout off to the media, is younger, tactically more aware, and someone for the future.

I can't see Spurs going back to HR either. Apart from in one scenario: desperation. But it takes a big man to admit they are wrong. And Levy is a pragmatist. So you never know, stranger things have happened.

 

[milo]

Agree with most of the above. There is history with HR and the board and it obviously wasn't all roses - else he would have had a new contract.

What did the board see in AVB? A bargain maybe. A manager that would have cost multiple times more - how much did chel$ea spunk on AVB? With partners - of any description - you always seek what the current one does not possess [your with a bird with big tits, but attracted to slim flat chested athletic filles! Enough about me :} In this case, AVB is someone who toes the club line, doesn't spout off to the media, is younger, tactically more aware, and someone for the future.

I can't see Spurs going back to HR either. Apart from in one scenario: desperation. But it takes a big man to admit they are wrong. And Levy is a pragmatist. So you never know, stranger things have happened.

This should probably go in the AVB tactics thread rather than here but you've made the point (and I've seen a lot of others say the same thing), so I will respond. What is the evidence that AVB is more tactically aware than Redknapp?

 

[SpurMeUp]

This should probably go in the AVB tactics thread rather than here but you've made the point (and I've seen a lot of others say the same thing), so I will respond. What is the evidence that AVB is more tactically aware than Redknapp?

Harry is a motivator. He gets his players believing in themselves and playing. He's probably not sure how it does it himself. He believes in them and asks them to do what they are good at. And it works. There is more to it of course. But in essence that;s HR's style.

AVB learnt his trade analysing other teams play. Preparing Morino's scouting charts etc. His is someone who is good at analysing things. He's not a big talker. He's more contemplative. A tactician. Not that it shows currently.

 

[johnola]

Harry is a motivator. He gets his players believing in themselves and playing. He's probably not sure how it does it himself. He believes in them and asks them to do what they are good at. And it works. There is more to it of course. But in essence that;s HR's style.

AVB learnt his trade analysing other teams play. Preparing Morino's scouting charts etc. His is someone who is good at analysing things. He's not a big talker. He's more contemplative. A tactician. Not that it shows currently.

That is a very well reasoned comparison.

And thinking on a bit it suggests the players need a bit of time to learn how to collectively take responsibility for the performances. And pouring on the optimism, we might then see them imbued with a bit more fight and resilience than we have seen for a long time.