Jose Mourinho - SACKED

[afsoc4life]

This has been explained - West Ham sat back and invited us on to them and we threw on all our attacling players.

The fact we had so many shots but so few actual chances shows you this.

So few actual chances yet key players missed gilt edged chances.

Look I get it, y'all want him out. Either way I remain a Spurs fan.

EDIT: Autocorrect changes edged to edges

 

[billyiddo]

So few actual chances yet key players missed gilt edges chances.

Look I get it, y'all want him out. Either way I remain a Spurs fan.

mate none of them were gilt edge chances that's the whole point (gilt edge means a great opportunity fyi) - west ham sat back and were content for us to take pot shots all day long - same as we did v Arsenal and City - the same games everyone was happy with our approach in because we done what we needed to in front of goal and restrcted the opposition to creating nothing of note

 

[afsoc4life]

Funny how we are widely regarded as having the League's best striker and one of the best attacking wingers in the League and we've scored less than non-figuratively every team in the Top 6, and the same amount as Aston Villa.

Funny how many chances those two have squandered in the recent games. Also you want to compare the attacking strength of Spurs with the top 6? Let's be honest which of the top 6 has a weaker attack than Spurs.

The only consistent credible goal scorers at Spurs are Kane and Son. I use consistent with a shudder because Son scores in streaks. Even with that he is our second best goal scorer. Of course we suffer when they are both off form as is the case.

For the record we have Kane, Son, Alli, Lamela, Moura, Vinicius, Bergwijn and Bale. What are the goal contributions from the others apart from Kane and Son?

I am expecting the retort that Jose is lazy in building his offence around the two. Ermm who else should he build it round? The team badly needs one of the remaining forward to step up so that there are other threats or even to rest Son for a fair while. The dude is knackered.

 

[afsoc4life]

mate none of them were gilt edge chances that's the whole point (gilt edge means a great opportunity fyi) - west ham sat back and were content for us to take pot shots all day long - same as we did v Arsenal and City - the same games everyone was happy with our approach in because we done what we needed to in front of goal and restrcted the opposition to creating nothing of note

Ermm on one of the threads on those forum, there is an image of an attack where Kane has the ball with Son and another Spurs player in the box with nothing between them and the goal/goal keeper. That wasn't a gilt edged chance?

 

[billyiddo]

Ermm on one of the threads on those forum, there is an image of an attack where Kane has the ball with Son and another Spurs player in the box with nothing between them and the goal/goal keeper. That wasn't a gilt edges chance?

the one where Kane delayed playing the ball in to Dele? yeah that was our best chance

 

[AdamB]

mate none of them were gilt edge chances that's the whole point (gilt edge means a great opportunity fyi) - west ham sat back and were content for us to take pot shots all day long - same as we did v Arsenal and City - the same games everyone was happy with our approach in because we done what we needed to in front of goal and restrcted the opposition to creating nothing of note

being picky, its 'gilt edged' - refers back to days when government bonds (paper based) had a golden edge to the indicate that they were very safe and certain to be repaid

 

[billyiddo]

being picky, its 'gilt edged' - refers back to days when government bonds (paper based) had a golden edge to the indicate that they were very safe and certain to be repaid

every day is a school day

 

[parklane1]

Reading the article, I am just laughing at Spurs players. One provided info about what Jose does. Are these players school children? If a team is weak defensively, won't you expect there to be more defensive sessions? If a team is weak offensively, won't there be more attacking sessions?

That article is a hackjob for people who want to see what they are expecting to see.

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No surprise there really its what happens, the truth is we have a big squad full of good, bad and brick players and there are many who are not playing as many game as they think they should be, now they are not happy and are probably the ones who are bitching about it, the truth is it happens at every club because of those reasons and we just happen to be a big club which fills newsprint.

Fane will jump on these headlines by disgruntled players to encourage their agendas to moan about a manager they have no time for and lot of those same fans never wanted Jose here and are filling their boots. Its so obvious to see the agendas.

 

[thfcsteff]

The question on that would be timing, I find it hard to believe that in last 3-4 weeks we haven't been working on attacking plays (considering how we are playing).

Describe what you're seeing that has changed, beyond second-halves where we try to play with the ball?

 

[Raziel]

For those who made up their mind, don't bother.

For those who want to judge for themselves if his "I can't fix everything" comment was dodging responsibility or how he views past behaviour, take a look

 

[Raziel]

Describe what you're seeing that has changed, beyond second-halves where we try to play with the ball?

The first half to West Ham was clear (didn't need to get to 2nd half)

- PEH, Ndombele in front of back four, Lamela in front of those two
- The attack line was via Reguilon left, Lamela central (you saw Lamela central run example)
- West Ham had to counter by covering their right and center, this left Tanganga as an outlet all first half

The effectiveness of it was limited by West Ham's early goal giving them something to defend, but they surrendered initiative and we pushed forward, last 3rd wasn't great but the plan was there.

Second half, you would probably say was just throwing on attackers, again I disagree
- Doherty was a clear plan to use the space Tanganga was getting all first half more offensively
- Bale should have replaced Lucas as the right sided option to work with Doherty (my opinion/guess), is Lamela came off because we had 3 already on yellows
- Dele was probably just a hail mary, throw on your final attacker, to that point I still felt it's was to a plan.

The change in our decision to play more forward has come with taking Winks/Sissoko out of the midfield setup, you can argue about the effectiveness of Lamela all day long but he and Lucas try to go forward.

Tomorrow will probably be mixed setup but week-end I'm expecting Reguilon/Aurier/Bale/Lamela (maybe Lo Celso sub) which will be about as attacking as we can play.

 

[Robspur12]

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No surprise there really its what happens, the truth is we have a big squad full of good, bad and brick players and there are many who are not playing as many game as they think they should be, now they are not happy and are probably the ones who are bitching about it, the truth is it happens at every club because of those reasons and we just happen to be a big club which fills newsprint.

Fane will jump on these headlines by disgruntled players to encourage their agendas to moan about a manager they have no time for and lot of those same fans never wanted Jose here and are filling their boots. Its so obvious to see the agendas.

I am a Jose fan, not as much as Poch, but nonetheless I have always liked him and was bummed he went to Chelsea in 2004. However, he is giving his detractors plenty to fill their boots with. Our League form has fallen through the floor, and we get beaten by any 1/2 decent side. Jose had his squad refresh he hasn’t really got much cause to complain. I am absolutely sure Levy will not tolerate many more League losses. Even with as bad as we have been, I still don’t think we should get rid of him before we are out of the cups. But it is hard to make a case that he has been good enough which is particularly devastating given his pedigree. There is no point suggesting that “we are a work in progress” Jose doesn’t do those.

 

[Raziel]

I am a Jose fan, not as much as Poch, but nonetheless I have always liked him and was bummed he went to Chelsea in 2004. However, he is giving his detractors plenty to fill their boots with. Our League form has fallen through the floor, and we get beaten by any 1/2 decent side. Jose had his squad refresh he hasn’t really got much cause to complain. I am absolutely sure Levy will not tolerate many more League losses. Even with as bad as we have been, I still don’t think we should get rid of him before we are out of the cups. But it is hard to make a case that he has been good enough which is particularly devastating given his pedigree.

He hasn't been good enough, we haven't been good enough.

That said, there would be no value not to give him the next 6-8 games to see if he can turn it around.

The only way I see Levy pulling the trigger early is the scenario where maybe a top manager option we have lined up becomes/or tells us, they are available.

 

[90291Spur]

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...his-experience-can-help-turn-tottenham-around

more egotistical self-servicing gonads from Jose:

To give you an example – I left Chelsea as a champion [in 2015]
I will be in Tottenham’s history for the good reasons and not the bad reasons
One of my colleagues went a bit too far in his words but that’s another story,” Mourinho said. “Because it’s not José Mourinho, that’s not a problem.

Every day that goes by gets us all a little older, and one day closer to not having him in charge of our beloved club.

 

[Robspur12]

He hasn't been good enough, we haven't been good enough.

That said, there would be no value not to give him the next 6-8 games to see if he can turn it around.

The only way I see Levy pulling the trigger early is the scenario where maybe a top manager option we have lined up becomes/or tells us, they are available.

I know you will think I am crazy mate but I genuinely believed we would be title challengers this season. Great signings building on a decent summer transfer window in in 2019 put alongside a manager with title winning pedigree. With everything that is going on I have found it hard to get my head around football this year but there was a part of me that felt excited. I am gutted with the way this season has panned out. I am sure most of Jose’s critics on the board who are proper, sensible Spurs supporters with opinions I respect immensely, feel the same whatever their opinion of the manager.

 

[Raziel]

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...his-experience-can-help-turn-tottenham-around

more egotistical self-servicing gonads from Jose:

To give you an example – I left Chelsea as a champion [in 2015]
I will be in Tottenham’s history for the good reasons and not the bad reasons
One of my colleagues went a bit too far in his words but that’s another story,” Mourinho said. “Because it’s not José Mourinho, that’s not a problem.

Every day that goes by gets us all a little older, and one day closer to not having him in charge of our beloved club.

Watch the video 3 post prior mate

I left Chelsea as champion -> context was he was admitting in the past he often created his own problems, including off the pitch
I will be in Tottenham's history -> context, he just spent at least 5 minutes explaining that the results were not good enough, however he felt the club was supportive, he and the team had to work harder for the right result, and if they do that he's confident we can turn it around, hence he closed on he expects to be in Tottenham's history for the right reasons

His last point? you and the media just proved it, there was zero fudging controversial in that 20 minute interview and it some how gets turned into "egotistical self-service"? Klopp or whoever can say genuinely asshole-ish brick but that's cool. Said it before, Jose is the media villain of the PL, sad when we support that narrative.

 

[parklane1]

For those who made up their mind, don't bother.

For those who want to judge for themselves if his "I can't fix everything" comment was dodging responsibility or how he views past behaviour, take a look

You know as well as i do there will be some who will try and get hidden meanings in that interview, or think they can.

 

[Raziel]

You know as well as i do there will be some who will try and get hidden meanings in that interview, or think they can.

too late, 3 posts prior to yours ..

 

[Robspur12]

Jose is the media villain of the PL, sad when we support that narrative.

Generally I have always liked Jose for the way he doesn’t give 2 hoots about convention but I don’t like the way he publicly calls out players like Dele or Bale and it is not the right way to manage in any industry.

 

[parklane1]

too late, 3 posts prior to yours ..

Indeed a case in point.