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Jose Mourinho - SACKED

billyiddo said:
But wrt to approach and tactics you don't expect things to change?

He could play Winks more regularly against weaker teams, he could play Dele, he could play Lo Celso and Ndombele together there are options there for him to show that he wants a better player on the ball to really see his game plan work - but he chooses to not use those available to him. That says a lot.
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I would expect tactics to change somewhat at least with a change of players. I would also expect how the team looks to change. Better players tend to do that. Better balance tends to do that. Being good in more phases of play tends to do that.

I don't expect Mourinho to change into something he's not. He's not going to become a high risk high reward kind of manager. He's not going to start wanting 60%+ possession. We're not going to start playing out from the back with great risk.

True on him choosing lower risk options when having the option of accepting more risk for the benefit of more creativity. That is in a way a constant with Mourinho. But only up to a point. GLC played very well last season deeper in midfield. This season a fit and match fit GLC really hasn't been an option. We'll see what the plan is with Ndombele, to me it makes sense to get him settled in further forward before moving him deeper, but perhaps Mourinho thinks he's better as a #10.

We talked a few weeks ago about needing to see progress. To me the Fulham game was progress (though frustrating), it remains to be seen if it can be kept up and improved on further. If it can't, not good enough.
 
braineclipse said:
I would expect tactics to change somewhat at least with a change of players. I would also expect how the team looks to change. Better players tend to do that. Better balance tends to do that. Being good in more phases of play tends to do that.

I don't expect Mourinho to change into something he's not. He's not going to become a high risk high reward kind of manager. He's not going to start wanting 60%+ possession. We're not going to start playing out from the back with great risk.

True on him choosing lower risk options when having the option of accepting more risk for the benefit of more creativity. That is in a way a constant with Mourinho. But only up to a point. GLC played very well last season deeper in midfield. This season a fit and match fit GLC really hasn't been an option. We'll see what the plan is with Ndombele, to me it makes sense to get him settled in further forward before moving him deeper, but perhaps Mourinho thinks he's better as a #10.

We talked a few weeks ago about needing to see progress. To me the Fulham game was progress (though frustrating), it remains to be seen if it can be kept up and improved on further. If it can't, not good enough.
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15 shots in a game is a change
But the lack of them in the second half (which coincides with games we’re winning) is clearly an issue
I wonder if we’re over reliant on one creative outlet in Tanguy in midfield and if he fades, we fade
 
Bedfordspurs said:
15 shots in a game is a change
But the lack of them in the second half (which coincides with games we’re winning) is clearly an issue
I wonder if we’re over reliant on one creative outlet in Tanguy in midfield and if he fades, we fade
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I definitely think we are. Particularly with GLC missing. Hojbjerg offers a bit, but he's quite some way off a deep playmaker. Thought we used Aurier and Reguilon better in the first half yesterday, but that too faded in the second. There really is a creative vacuum surrounding Kane and Ndombele way too much of the time.
 
braineclipse said:
I definitely think we are. Particularly with GLC missing. Hojbjerg offers a bit, but he's quite some way off a deep playmaker. Thought we used Aurier and Reguilon better in the first half yesterday, but that too faded in the second. There really is a creative vacuum surrounding Kane and Ndombele way too much of the time.
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I think you are letting the team but probably moreso, the manager off the hook for a general lack of quality in passing and approach play. Whether that is because Jose is far to risk adverse or the fear of letting Jose down by fudging up is on the players mind,i'm not sure, probably both. As i have said before i witness other teams do this with little problem. This is the play that gets the ball to those creative masters, its not hard stuff, pass (not always the 100% safe pass) and move, confidence and trust. All these players are capable of that (even Sissoko).

Ndombele should be played exactly like Grealish ie the ball whenever possible should find its way to him. Ndombele is the most talented midfielder in the league.
And more collective progression up the pitch might cut out the amount of time Sonny and Kane are putting into a defensive shift. Sometimes i think they come back as that is where THEY are expected to start things off from.
 
Jose. A simple message. Change or go. We don't want this style of football.

You started a match at home to Fulham with just two recognised strikers. You had Lucas, Bale and Dele on the bench. All recognised talents and more importantly goal scorers with proven track records. You took off our one creative source.

Your substitutions have generally been poor all season. Wake the hell up. Give us what we want or get out. I was one of your leading proponents, but I have lost faith in you. To throw away leads against West Ham, Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Crystal Palace, Wolves and now Fulham demonstrate to me that you have not leant from your past mistakes.

There is an old adage that says only a fool keeps on doing the same thing and expects a different result.

Stop being a fool.
 
Only 3 of the 13 players who played against Fulham are Mourinho's signings : Hojbjerg, Reguilon and Vinicius. The rest of the players are not Mourinho's signings and they excelled initially under Pochettino but ultimately failed him. So, how do you expect the players to follow Mourinho's system when the majority are not his signings. I am surprised and annoyed that Mourinho didn't sell the error-prone players who cost Pochettino dearly like Aurier, Winks, Dier and Sanchez.
 
Spurs7891 said:
Only 3 of the 13 players who played against Fulham are Mourinho's signings : Hojbjerg, Reguilon and Vinicius. The rest of the players are not Mourinho's signings and they excelled initially under Pochettino but ultimately failed him. So, how do you expect the players to follow Mourinho's system when the majority are not his signings. I am surprised and annoyed that Mourinho didn't sell the error-prone players who cost Pochettino dearly like Aurier, Winks, Dier and Sanchez.
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Dier is his boy, he's made that clear several times and Kane and Son are two of the best players in the league no manager is getting rid of.

Again, i want Jose to win but can we stop putting this on the players. THIS IS A TACTICS ISSUE. Several games we have gone 1-0 up and dropped off entirely. That is a structural decision, a tactical decision taken to contain games by instructions to the players. It is not down whether the players were signed by Jose, it's down to the instructions he is giving.

that's why it has happened 5 times this season against similar opposition.
 
Diamond Lights said:
Dier is his boy, he's made that clear several times and Kane and Son are two of the best players in the league no manager is getting rid of.

Again, i want Jose to win but can we stop putting this on the players. THIS IS A TACTICS ISSUE. Several games we have gone 1-0 up and dropped off entirely. That is a structural decision, a tactical decision taken to contain games by instructions to the players. It is not down whether the players were signed by Jose, it's down to the instructions he is giving.

that's why it has happened 5 times this season against similar opposition.
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I think he has over reacted to results like Saudi Sportswashing Machine and wham, and reinforcing his conclusion is the big results we have had against top opposition playing ultra defence, for example leicester at home last season and goons and city this season.

But no one in their right mind can accept such tactics in every game especially against absolute brick teams at home, when we know with the right team and tactics we completely dominate that entire game against fulham and create around 10 glorious chances and win about 5-0.

He has to understand newc and wham were flukes that happen in football. Yes there were mistakes in those games but the solution to that is not ultra defence in such fixtures once we go 1-0 up.

Cant he remember for example beating burnley 5-0 and other similar results when pressing forward throughout the game.

He never went this ultra defensive at madrid or chelsea. Just use this tactic against the big teams, after all it used to annoy me that Poch nearly never did it and now this guy has started to do it every game!!

These tactics are tinkling off the fans and proving counter productive to getting results! Please stop doing it or as the other guy said you might as well go!
 
Diamond Lights said:
Didn't get the necessity of not using our third sub vs Fulham. They scored in 75th minute or so, still 15mins minimum for us to push. Moura, Dele, Bale, all attacking options to change up.
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Mourinho hates to be seen to be caught out and then having to 'react', he has to feel and be seen to be in control at all times. This is his ego overruling logical reaction e.g. making substitutions.
 
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I really do hope Sacramento is pulling his hair out at these tactics and has learnt what not to do for when he becomes the next Spurs boss.
 
Yiddo said:
I really do hope Sacramento is pulling his hair out at these tactics and has learnt what not to do for when he becomes the next Spurs boss.
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Is this a thing then? I’ve seen this mentioned a couple of times on here since Christmas, where does this come from?
 
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