Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
They should be.... Surely we didn’t spend £30m on Bergwijn to be a backup when we had pressing needs for first choice options right across the team?
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Jose Mourinho - SACKED
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Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
The European cup that Poch was too good for us to default into....
Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
We might be back resorting to throwing all of our eggs into those sorts of baskets soon what with having such little chance of CL qualification.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
The European cup that Poch was too good for us to default into....
yep
Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
A poll would be good. Let’s see which members think Jose will take us to a trophy win and/or CL qualification next season if Levy keeps him in place) and which of us don’t.
Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
I actually think we would’ve won at least one of the more minor trophies under Poch if we had been able to not worry about the league/CL and could concentrate on the cups. Our small squad meant that we couldn’t compete across everything like the big boys can.
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
We’ve got a good chance in those. As long as we avoid the big teams like Norwich and Bournemouth.
We had little chance of CL qualification when Poch was sacked. Mourinho has come in and for one reason or another, it looks like we won't qualify. Does that make him a bad manager? A dinosaur? I don;t think it does. Look, we haven't played well since the restart but on the flip side, we've looked a lot more solid at the back and with a tiny bit of VAR luck, we'd have probably won yesterday, maybe even hung on against United. If in a years time, we're still having this conversation then maybe the Mourinho doubters/haters will have more sway. But not yet
Continually referencing the EL and LC wins isn't a win for your pov
- United/Mou spent more money on that team than 90% of the teams in the competition combined - it perfectly illustrates a working formula when you out gun (financially) your opponents. Not something he will benefit from here
Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
Come on mods.... give us a poll.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
Don’t know about that
It’s seem to be 2/3 want him gone and 1/3 thinking he needs more time
the argument is he is passed it and his past glories don’t count anymore even if they were won during Pochs reign here
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
So the club needs to spend money To win things
That’s not new news is it
Obviously he has been employed because of his past glories but now he's here, they count for nowt and as such, he deserves the time any manager should get. And 6 months is nowhere near enough time to be judged, especially if that doesnt include a pre season. He has obviously prioritised us being more solid at the back and to an extent, bar the Sheff united debacle, this has been achieved. He'll know we're not playing well and I trust/hope he has enough clout to get it fixed. But perhaps I'm wrong and he doesn't in which case I'll hold my hands up. But I'm still optimistic with him in charge that we will win something, which is the whole bloody point after all
Diamond Lights
Alan Hutton
usually i'd agree, but like i said i've seen little to give me comfort Jose is the right man for the job.
Arsenal, despite still not being anywhere close to a finished article, appear far more sturdy since Arteta came in than before. Certainly on the attacking fluidity. Ancelotti has improved Everton and again, seems to be making a blueprint or vision for the future.
It seems we're a counter-attacking team, but at the same time, it's a bit square peg/round hole. If i recall yesterday we started with Bergwijn, Kane, Lamela and Lo Celso (with Son and Moura as substitutes) and we had zero shots on goal.
So what's the Plan B if evidently our players can't utilise Plan A well?
The only game I’ve seen Everton play was against us and they were more atrocious than us so not sure they should be used as a yard stick!
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
Brighton beat arsenal only a few weeks
They then get a couple of wins and look half decent and organised
Arsenal have no plan B either. Took Poch a couple of seasons to develop one
They do look better and I’ve said what I think of Arteta but I wouldn’t have had him here over Jose
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
They also drew 0-0 with pool in the worst game I’d seen until last night
The bar was so low for them though they have improved
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
I might become obsessed with this idea.
I want Vincent kompany as our new manager. He can be the new Messiah. As i know journos read my posts im going to keep saying it till it is printed in the paper. Then Levy will read it in the sun while eating his shreddies in the morning and think aha kompany he is the answer.
I want Vincent kompany as our new manager. He can be the new Messiah. As i know journos read my posts im going to keep saying it till it is printed in the paper. Then Levy will read it in the sun while eating his shreddies in the morning and think aha kompany he is the answer.
Diamond Lights
Alan Hutton
So given this is a Jose Mourinho thread, let's ask this:
What have you seen under Jose Mourinho that makes you feel positive for next season?
* This is not a dig at Jose or anything, as i mentioned above i would love to see him succeed at Spurs, but i haven't seen enough under him to see him transform us in the way that is required. I'm actually looking for positivity here so please share!
What have you seen under Jose Mourinho that makes you feel positive for next season?
* This is not a dig at Jose or anything, as i mentioned above i would love to see him succeed at Spurs, but i haven't seen enough under him to see him transform us in the way that is required. I'm actually looking for positivity here so please share!
The salient points, IMO, are:
- Has he had a fair crack of whip? No
- Have results improved since he’s been here? Yes, very marginally
- Are there signs of improvement? Defence looks a little less flimsy
- Are there signs of regression? Yes, we look impotent
- Has the style of football improved? From peak Poch, obviously not; from the last days of Rome, we’re not far from that
- Are the circumstances akin to when he’s had success - i.e. money, mentally resilient players, less competitive leagues? No
- Are these factors likely to change in the short-mid term? No
The most important thing for me to ask is given the current circumstances we are working in are unlikely to improve in the short-mid term, is he the best manager to work within these constraints? The answer for me is ‘No’.
Levy rolled the dice and CV19 has thrown everything out the window. We need a progressive manager that commands respect - this can be done in different ways, not just winners’ medals - who has a track record in galvanizing dispirate squads and employs clear methods that take into account how the modern game is played (and won).
Would be getting rid of Mou be harsh? Undoubtedly.
Would it be the right decision to give us a better chance of sustainable success, given the world we now live in? I believe so...
- Has he had a fair crack of whip? No
- Have results improved since he’s been here? Yes, very marginally
- Are there signs of improvement? Defence looks a little less flimsy
- Are there signs of regression? Yes, we look impotent
- Has the style of football improved? From peak Poch, obviously not; from the last days of Rome, we’re not far from that
- Are the circumstances akin to when he’s had success - i.e. money, mentally resilient players, less competitive leagues? No
- Are these factors likely to change in the short-mid term? No
The most important thing for me to ask is given the current circumstances we are working in are unlikely to improve in the short-mid term, is he the best manager to work within these constraints? The answer for me is ‘No’.
Levy rolled the dice and CV19 has thrown everything out the window. We need a progressive manager that commands respect - this can be done in different ways, not just winners’ medals - who has a track record in galvanizing dispirate squads and employs clear methods that take into account how the modern game is played (and won).
Would be getting rid of Mou be harsh? Undoubtedly.
Would it be the right decision to give us a better chance of sustainable success, given the world we now live in? I believe so...