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Jose Mourinho - SACKED

Jurgen the German said:
Whilst I agree he needs time, there should be no coach in the world that needs time to be able to piece together a team capable of having a shot on target against Bournemouth. Their form is absolutely dreadful. And we were hanging on against them. That’s without mentioning the games against those titans of Norwich who also outplayed us and had us playing counter attacking football, at home.
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That game was a classic example of an opportunity to go out and attack. Bournemouth we’re on a terrible run, with zero confidence and gently slipping into the Championship. Our negative, safety first football allowed them to grow in confidence as the game went on. Towards the end they realised that actually we are even worse than them and believed they could win the game.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
But surely you can’t be an advocate of binning him off after 26 league games ??

what is clear (again) is that the players who were performing 3/4 years ago cannot or won’t perform anymore

That needs fixing and changing and that needs work from all levels of the club

all managers need time to change from old to new. Klopps a shining example of where giving time to a manager can show rewards and Arguably he went backwards before going forwards (with a team that had previously came closer than us to win the league).

I’m not saying Jose is Klopp but he has a better CV. He may be dead now, but I think he needs more than 26 league games with the circumstances to judge
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I posed this question earlier in the thread, when do you think the penny will drop with him that successful teams in the game today don’t win things playing his anti football? Look at just about every top team; Liverpool, city, Bayern, Barca, Real. Can’t think of any top side besides maybe Atletico Madrid who play safety first. Even in the CL teams play more gung ho compared to 5-10 years ago. European ties used to be far more cagey. Mourinho May have won cups at United but he hasn’t been a dominant force in the league or in the CL since 2014.
 
Jurgen the German said:
I posed this question earlier in the thread, when do you think the penny will drop with him that successful teams in the game today don’t win things playing his anti football? Look at just about every top team; Liverpool, city, Bayern, Barca, Real. Can’t think of any top side besides maybe Atletico Madrid who play safety first. Even in the CL teams play more gung ho compared to 5-10 years ago. European ties used to be far more cagey. Mourinho May have won cups at United but he hasn’t been a dominant force in the league or in the CL since 2014.
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Even Atletico only play that way against the very good teams. They play attacking football against the minnows.
 
Jurgen the German said:
I posed this question earlier in the thread, when do you think the penny will drop with him that successful teams in the game today don’t win things playing his anti football? Look at just about every top team; Liverpool, city, Bayern, Barca, Real. Can’t think of any top side besides maybe Atletico Madrid who play safety first. Even in the CL teams play more gung ho compared to 5-10 years ago. European ties used to be far more cagey. Mourinho May have won cups at United but he hasn’t been a dominant force in the league or in the CL since 2014.
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His United team finished 2nd
 
Bedfordspurs said:
But surely you can’t be an advocate of binning him off after 26 league games ??

what is clear (again) is that the players who were performing 3/4 years ago cannot or won’t perform anymore

That needs fixing and changing and that needs work from all levels of the club

all managers need time to change from old to new. Klopps a shining example of where giving time to a manager can show rewards and Arguably he went backwards before going forwards (with a team that had previously came closer than us to win the league).

I’m not saying Jose is Klopp but he has a better CV. He may be dead now, but I think he needs more than 26 league games with the circumstances to judge
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I don't want to waste another season to act on what can be seen now already - Mourinho is not a new man with a new philosopy, he's the same man and the same manager that his last few clubs couldn't wait to get rid of - the fact they felt that way despite him winning some trophies along the way says it all for me - his football is brick and he's toxic.

The only people in the footballing world who don't seem to realise that are a minotity of Spurs fans who post online.
 
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Jurgen the German said:
I posed this question earlier in the thread, when do you think the penny will drop with him that successful teams in the game today don’t win things playing his anti football? Look at just about every top team; Liverpool, city, Bayern, Barca, Real. Can’t think of any top side besides maybe Atletico Madrid who play safety first. Even in the CL teams play more gung ho compared to 5-10 years ago. European ties used to be far more cagey. Mourinho May have won cups at United but he hasn’t been a dominant force in the league or in the CL since 2014.
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All those teams have a solid defence - and a play maker - Liverpool won nothing till they realised they had to firm up at the back.

the problem was we were brick going forward and brick at the back.

cant solve both at once in the time he’s had
 
Legohamster said:
All those teams have a solid defence - and a play maker - Liverpool won nothing till they realised they had to firm up at the back.

the problem was we were brick going forward and brick at the back.

cant solve both at once in the time he’s had
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Liverpool didn't change their set up defensively they just bought better defenders. Mourinho sacrifices attacking play to be solid defensively and doesn't know how to build from there
 
billyiddo said:
Liverpool didn't change their set up defensively they just bought better defenders. Mourinho sacrifices attacking play to be solid defensively and doesn't know how to build an attack.
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But his teams have a history (yes it’s the past) or setting scoring records
His Chelsea team that won the league in 2015 scored 73 goals which was 2nd highest at the time for example
His united team that came 2nd didn’t score many and was miserly defence wise
Looking at their results they started well and scoring but it looks like things tapered off after Christmas when they lost a few players to injury
I thought their football was turgid when they played us I have to say but I never watched them apart from that
 
Jurgen the German said:
Mourinho May have won cups at United but he hasn’t been a dominant force in the league or in the CL since 2014.
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Apart from winning the league in 2015, but is that being pedantic? So we're dismissing a manager who used to be a dominant force in the CL, took United to 2nd and won two trophies with them but he's not good enough for Spurs?
 
Bedfordspurs said:
But his teams have a history (yes it’s the past) or setting scoring records
His Chelsea team that won the league in 2015 scored 73 goals which was 2nd highest at the time for example
His united team that came 2nd didn’t score many and was miserly defence wise
Looking at their results they started well and scoring but it looks like things tapered off after Christmas when they lost a few players to injury
I thought their football was turgid when they played us I have to say but I never watched them apart from that
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History mate, you said it.

He has always been at top end clubs with the money to buy top players - his approach of setting out the defense and letting the highly paid attack do their thing worked well and was effective - can it work at a club that doesn't have the financial clout to buy the attacking players to make it work? Is it an approach that worked for a period of time but is no longer effective? The answer to both, for me, should be obvious - the only way he succeeds is if the "new man, new philosopy" stuff wasn't complete and utter gonads and he successfully manages to reinvent himself and his football - and from what we have seen here is that is not the case.
 
treepits said:
Apart from winning the league in 2015, but is that being pedantic? So we're dismissing a manager who used to be a dominant force in the CL, took United to 2nd and won two trophies with them but he's not good enough for Spurs?
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Im saying his style of play isn’t employed by top teams or teams that win the big trophies anymore, there’s a difference. He’s a dinosaur and hasn’t shown any inkling that he is willing to play attacking football.
 
billyiddo said:
History mate, you said it.

He has always been at top end clubs with the money to buy top players - his approach of setting out the defense and letting the highly paid attack do their thing worked well and was effective - can it work at a club that doesn't have the financial clout to buy the attacking players to make it work? Is it an approach that worked for a period of time but is no longer effective? The answer to both, for me, should be obvious - the only way he succeeds is if the "new man, new philosopy" stuff wasn't complete and utter gonad*s and he successfully manages to reinvent himself and his football - and from what we have seen here is that is not the case.
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TBF he probably looked here and saw we had the taken in some players in attack that maybe his other sides lacked when he took over (United and Chelsea didn’t have many Decent attackers hence why they signed strikers and attackers)

and when I’m talking history I’m talking about whilst Poch was here he won a league a European trophy and a cup
 
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