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João Palhinha

Raziel said:
Good player for a specific role, was a 50M player 12 months ago.

With Kudus & Palinha, so far two players with PL experience, both have something very different to our current squad.
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It is the "12 months ago" that is so relevant to me. It's not that long ago. If he hits his Fulham form then we'll be in great shape.

Most likely we'll see a player in transition as he enters his 30s. The interesting areas will see how fast the ageing process is happening to him, as the middle of the park is a very physically demanding place to play. I think Frank will have him as his Norgard in this setup. He won't be as all action as the Fulham Palhinha but will be critical in that role which we should expect to see rotated frequently with the different squad players we have.
 
Muttley said:
It is the "12 months ago" that is so relevant to me. It's not that long ago. If he hits his Fulham form then we'll be in great shape.

Most likely we'll see a player in transition as he enters his 30s. The interesting areas will see how fast the ageing process is happening to him, as the middle of the park is a very physically demanding place to play. I think Frank will have him as his Norgard in this setup. He won't be as all action as the Fulham Palhinha but will be critical in that role which we should expect to see rotated frequently with the different squad players we have.
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We dont know as always, good/bad news is he wasn't used that much last season, so should be fresh.

50M player on basically a wages risk only loan that (Id assume) buys us a year and frees up money for spending elsewhere
 
Raziel said:
We dont know as always, good/bad news is he wasn't used that much last season, so should be fresh.

50M player on basically a wages risk only loan that (Id assume) buys us a year and frees up money for spending elsewhere
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And brings in experience. And from what I've seen at least on the pitch leadership.

Son is going, Bissouma is probably likely to depart. We were already a fairly young team lacking in experience.

I love a young talent with loads of potential, but had we sold Bissouma and replaced him with a player like that Bentancur would he our most experienced player in the double pivot followed by Sarr. That would be very young in an area of the pitch where experience is often rather important.
 
SirPercyHotspur said:
See Joao getting the number 6 shirt, this is the spirit we want to see from our 6.

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Great picture, i was at that game and DM had just returned from a big injury he first recieved at Man Utd.. Bremner the little brick had just kicked Dave on the same leg and that was Daves reaction.. That Leeds side was probably the worst i have seen for dirty tricks.
 
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It's probably one of the most un-spurs signings ever; he's 30 years old and on huge wages, but it's still the perfect signing! We are short of real arseholes in the team, and Palhinha is a real arsehole to play against. He will allow the other midfielders to push up, knowing he will mop up if it goes to brick. He's limited going forward, but that's not his job.

We won't play anywhere near how we played under Ange, and therefore Palhinha is perfect!
 
metalgear said:
TF sounds like he knows what he's doing...

"But [Palhinha’s] defensive qualities, his ability to be in the centre of the pitch, very disciplined, his distribution, short, diagonals, [passes] in behind and then his ability to break up play. Especially if you are playing away from home or against good counter-attacking teams. It’s very important to have one that, you know, is not running away or gets attracted to something. His set-piece ability in both boxes is a key thing and he has some experience which is good."
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Oh Thomas. Thomas, Thomas, Thomas.......you'll learn.....
 
papaspur said:

I like this guy's videos a lot. Good analysis without the annoying persona of your typical youtuber.
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I'm trying to work out if it's good analysis, or I think it's good because it validates my pre-existing opinion ha...

But it is a wonder, why did Munich sign him if they have no need for a ball winning midfielder. They've already got the ball, obviously more progressive passers like your Kimmich and Groetzka are going to flourish more in games where they're going to dominate.

We were crying out for experience, to steady the ship when needed and set an example for young players. Whilst I like Bissouma a lot as a character, there were just too many crazy moments for him to be a player the youngsters look up to. TBF he was great in the semi and the final of the EL. Seems to make sense to move him on and get Bentancur on a new contract..
 
spurspinter1 said:
I'm trying to work out if it's good analysis, or I think it's good because it validates my pre-existing opinion ha...

But it is a wonder, why did Munich sign him if they have no need for a ball winning midfielder. They've already got the ball, obviously more progressive passers like your Kimmich and Groetzka are going to flourish more in games where they're going to dominate.

We were crying out for experience, to steady the ship when needed and set an example for young players. Whilst I like Bissouma a lot as a character, there were just too many crazy moments for him to be a player the youngsters look up to. TBF he was great in the semi and the final of the EL. Seems to make sense to move him on and get Bentancur on a new contract..
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It's probably just reaffirmation bias, since I don't think Palhinha is a complicated type of player. He has a particular skillset and if used to perform in that role, he should excel.

And I agree with you regarding Bayern's acquisition of him. It's a bit like Kalvin Phillips at Emirates Marketing Project, but I think Palhinha is better in that DM position. I get that it's incredibly difficult to find a deep-lying playmaker that can also defend, but their loss should be our gain. I feel like our peak Poch team was when Wanyama was destroying so maybe that's the missing piece of what we've needed.
 
papaspur said:
It's probably just reaffirmation bias, since I don't think Palhinha is a complicated type of player. He has a particular skillset and if used to perform in that role, he should excel.

And I agree with you regarding Bayern's acquisition of him. It's a bit like Kalvin Phillips at Emirates Marketing Project, but I think Palhinha is better in that DM position. I get that it's incredibly difficult to find a deep-lying playmaker that can also defend, but their loss should be our gain. I feel like our peak Poch team was when Wanyama was destroying so maybe that's the missing piece of what we've needed.
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That is certainly the hope.

We've tried several times for several years to try to fit players that aren't natural DM players into that role and not succeeded.

To use another Poch example both Wanyama and Dembele played deep in midfield in the 4-2-3-1, but had different roles. We essentially never played Dembele as the "DM", even though he was in that position. Had we done I don't think he would have been as good at that as he was at the role that suited him best (the one he actually played).

With Palhinha we have a natural 6/DM, destroyer type (I would personally prefer a more playmaking type, but he is a natural fit there). I think it's a vital signing, he may not be the perfect player, but he's a very good fit. And his style probably suits Frank really well.
 
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